silver2005

From the Paramount era- Theme to The Saint (a Paramount movie that bombed) by Orbital, Love Theme to St Elmo's Fire, Fratelli Chase from The Goonies, Danger Zone in the Top Gun queue, Raider's March in the AE queue, the entire soundtrack to Phantom Theater, Flight of Fear, and Tomb Raider: The Ride Cedar Fair era- music from the Ocean's movies in the Backlot queue, Fitz and the Tantrums- The Walker, pretty much any song on the WindSeeker playlist, any song played at the show Playlist Live!

For my credit count, I put Son of Beast as 2 separate credits, one as it was with the loop and one for after the 2007 'refurb' as I found out the ride was drastically different before and after. Thus, I myself will be counting Rougarou as a separate credit from Mantis. To me, floorless and stand up coasters are drastically different even if you'd have them go through the same layout. However, I won't get on anyone else to do so as I think each enthusiast should enjoy the hobby as he/she wants to.

KIFan1- I know you like to state we should 'use our imagination'. But its simply that- imaginative. A lot of people on this site have at least some basic knowledge of how the amusement park industry works, things like finances, how people respond to certain additions, and even further than that. And if you don't, you're here via the internet, which has a plethora of sources to get such knowledge. I mean, of course we want Kings Island to have the best rides and attractions around, but they have to be within reason. Also realize Kings Island operates in a park chain with 10 other parks that also deserve some TLC, so Kings Island isn't going to be first in line to get the big new ride every year.

I will say I'm excited for the transformation overall. I feel floorless coasters shine when they have a lot of lateral movement in the course. The layout here has plenty of those moments, especially in the 2nd half. I also wonder if they'll bring back 3 train operations.

There goes that awesome paint scheme...

If Kings Island is going to get anything like Maverick, I suspect it would come from Mack rather than B&M.

Methinks this is more out of good taste considering the videos coming out from the Middle East...

I think we should christen the noodle at PBS as #johnathan2 or #johnathanjr.

If they're doing a Mantis rehab, most of all, I hope they keep the paint it already has. It just looks great, really pops out on the midway.

You know what? I'm in the mood for a little dissecting of this post, because this is making my head hurt. 1. First, let's just throw out the notion of a stand up coaster being built at Kings Island since they're pretty much done with. A new one has been built since the late 90's and the current ones are just waiting to serve out their service life. 2. Intamin? Really? Have you not seen their track record lately? Cedar Fair especially is fed up with them after the numerous modifications they've had to make after rides have already opened (Wicked Twister, Maverick, Shoot the Rapids, I305 to name a few). 3. How much are you willing to sacrifice of Kings Island's atmosphere towards families? I for one don't want Kings Island to become some utopia for die hard coaster enthusiasts. I feel Kings Island should focus on the intermediate group, rides not as intense as the bigger coasters, but more so than Planet Snoopy's rides. Sure, B&M's are nice. I certainly won't complain about Diamondback or Banshee, but you also gotta attend to the park's biggest spenders- families. I can list numerous other better improvements the park could use. 4. Why do you want wing and giga coasters from both Initamin and B&M? Redundant much? Let's not fool ourselves that being from different designers mean's they're different rides, a B&M wing coaster (like Gatekeeper) and an Intamin wing rider (like PortAventura's Furius Baco) accomplish pretty similar things, and the Intamin 'wing' coaster that is Skyrush at Hershey wouldn't be that much different than Diamondback, assuming Intamin has fixed the lap bar issues. I for one like variety. This also goes back to my #2 point. 5. You want all of them to have length, height and speed records? I know Kings Island has a lot of room, but most of that is steep hills, and a river at the bottom they can't build too close to. Where are you going to place them and give guests easy access? What do you plan on removing to accomplish all this? 6. I really, really hope you don't mean all of these back to back to back each year. FUN will go bankrupt if that's the case, plus you do know there are 10 other parks in the chain, right? Just see what got SIX into financial trouble in the 2000's when they tried to build coasters at the rate you're describing. Kings Island is much more than roller coasters and thrill rides my friend.

The alleged forgery has me scratching my head, too. I mean, didn't Kings Island's staff fill it out in the first place? I'm sure it has some sort of proof that its a Kings Island document with certain people having to sign off on it and such. Unless the family is privy about who works at Kings Island (not just Greg and Don), how would they know which names to allegedly forge? Also, wasn't this sort of policy already in place last year, and probably even before that? The Darien Lake incident happened in 2011, and I'm pretty sure I remember parks across the country were putting those regulations in place and/or enforcing them better. Did someone at Kings Island just drop the ball and sign off on a form they weren't supposed to?

Or maybe they could take PR and marketing classes at UL....

Well, knowing the state of WCPO lately... http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php/topic/29861-larry-handley-calls-cincinnatis-channel-9-a-very-dark-place-in-an-email-sent-to-his-coworkers-during-his-departure/?hl=wcpo I've actually stopped going to them for news because they've been a bit outlandish in their choice of stories to cover. They're the only station to use a helicopter for crying out loud (those stories are boarder-line asinine).

Plus, you guys all know how much Six Flags loves fire effects on their coasters.

We're currently playing this in the UC Band, also relevant to this.

There were several other rides sponsored over the years. The ones that come to mind are Gillette sponsoring Top Gun/Flight Deck, Huntington Bank with White Water Canyon, and I think Kodak sponsored the Eiffel Tower for a while.

^1. I'm saying more trees between the pools. There are giant slabs of concrete with no shade, and you could do it away from the water attractions. The Beach pulls it off well and the pools there are mostly clean of leaves, at least not to the extent where I'd call it messy. 2. I had an incident upon my most recent visit where I went to a few stands, they said they didn't sell them at the stands anymore, then went to guest relations who told me they didn't exist for 2014, then only to hear someone else who went the day I went say they got one. I don't know what to believe about them at Kings Island.

There are a few things I would like to see in coming years- 1. Trees planted in Soak City in that sea of concrete (or some sort of shading or ways to make it cooler to walk on) 2. A restroom in X-base (been burned by this many a time this season) 3. Repave the parking lot 4. More consistent ride crews, don't just have the new/popular rides have the 'good' crews, all the rides should have service on par with the new/popular rides 5. Consistency with promotions, the drink wrist bands were a mess of a promotion this year, at least from my experience

The track piece in a picture on one of those links looks like Intamin, Mack or Gerstlauer. I'm inclined to think it'll be a Eurofighter in this case. Picture courtesy of Fox 13 Salt Lake City. http://fox13now.com/2014/09/04/lagoons-new-roller-coaster-is-out-for-blood-cannibal-coming-soon/

^They still think KK is the best thing since the wheel and sliced bread. It reminds me of how ESPN has been hyping the college football playoff system lately. Read the fine print and between the lines, people.

I've been trying to read around the theme park website interwebs to see some more input on the bad season KK is having, and to my surprise, I think KIC might be the only website covering the debacles.

I don't think that's likely. This is converting a B&M to a different type of B&M - which (at least in my opinion) is what makes this make sense. Shockwave is a decades-old TOGO - which are slowly disappearing, as the company's American operations went out of business long ago. I mean, with enough money (nearly) everything is possible, but I think it would be more likely to see other B&Ms converted. It's quite possible that they use the same-gauge track as well as other similar components. EDIT: yep ^ They did convert Steel Dragon 2000 (a Morgan coaster) to have B&M trains, so they can work with different gauges of track. However, I don't think any amount of B&M's expertise can make Shockwave any better. Also, I direct you to the coaster formerly known as Manhattan Express for the result of other companies trying to mess with Togos.

Also, the ride itself is still in good shape. I really doubt they'd tear it down. I know for sure I'm in a minority on this, but I rather liked Mantis the way it currently is. Mind you, I do have to ride it early in the day as my legs turn to Jello if I ride it later in the day after all the walking, but I rather enjoy it. However, I'm a huge fan of floorless coasters too, and having one back in Ohio after Dominator left for Kings Dominion will be nice.

I noticed a rather weird prediction by the article TheBEASTunchained posted. *Italicized for emphasis. Unless Cedar Point wants to pride themselves in having, quite possibly, the longest queue ever, I think it's safe to call this false.

Considering its nearly 30 years old, its been sitting in the Canadian weather all that time, and Togo is no more, I really, really doubt it'll find a home other than a scrapyard.