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And Cedar Fair giving away 5 months of the gate "free" under the "Buy a pass for next year, get the rest of this year free" promotion isn't fair to everyone that had already purchased a pass for said year. Did anyone get a pro-rated 5 months refund...nope... I suspect we will see this trend continue - they gave away 5 months of gate and FunPix under that promotion, now trying out the FastLane, and next will be meal and drink plan and lockers...anything to push the attendance numbers up...until it ticks too many off and they don't renew...then the discounts become even more aggressive to lure new people in...interesting cycle...

A guest cannot change the way the webcams face...

Without getting into specifics and reasons why, when you view the KI webcams on the webpage, it is not being viewed via DDNS, IP, RTSP, Port Forwarding, VPN, P2P, or any other method most would view a camera at their home with....The KI feed is going through at least 3 different software/network platforms before the image is displayed on the webpage. Each one of those platforms, including the camera and recording device, has software. Upgrade one and it doesn't talk to the others nicely and...you guessed it...no feed to the website. Just because the webcams were not visible to the public doesn't mean they were not visible or not recordable to KI staff...it simply means there was a software issue with one of the software/server platforms from camera to website... And actually the top of the tower is climate controlled...ever notice the dripping of water onto you when standing on the top platform waiting for the elevator...that is from the AC unit above as it is climate controlled for the equipment inside...

Cedar Fair early season pass sales for 2020 have increased more than 50%. For every season pass renewal, seven new season passes are being purchased. Gold passes for Cedar Point are probably a huge driver of that. Let's hope that they address this increased demand for 2020!

I certainly think they should investigate that conversation before the issue arises or else we will see extensive giving away the gate like we have never seen if the number of non-renewals outnumbers the number of new passes... They gave away essentially 5 months of gate with the "buy a pass for next year and get in the rest of this year free" and they are having a great year....what would be the giveaway during a down year?

Liability theories were posted long before you mentioned it, and they will continue after...

So do people really think the park shut down the webcam: from a liability standpoint; or to give Channel 9 an exclusive with their 90's resolution quality chopper 9?; or it really is a software upgrade issue with unforeseen issues. Personally I think a helicopter flying around during the installation would be more of a liability than the webcam...

No doubt the gold pass offering this year at Cedar Point had a role in the bump...I expect they had a record September/October given the attendance numbers experienced and chatter on social media about how busy the park was. And chain-wide second year of "buy a pass for next year get in the rest of this year free" drove attendance numbers up as well. Question to remain for 2020 will be can they figure out how to accommodate the increases in attendance on peak days so as to not deter people from renewing. I know many people that based on what they personally experienced at KI and CP in the fall have decided to skip renewal next year. That is to be expected every year, and hopefully CF tracks this and if they see an increase in this happening, do exit surveys to find out the root cause.

Don't give them any ideas LOL Hopefully if they do offer this next year it doesn't overwhelm the park attendance like the introduction of Gold Pass to Cedar Point this year...I know they are two different things, but people go crazy with perceived free benefits!

Yeah, because no other part of the construction carries liability issues On the flip side, in today's litigious society, wouldn't they want as much coverage as possible to try to push liability on to someone else...unless it is truly a software issue beyond their control...

However, FunPix is not marketed or sold as limited to a particular park. They don't have a regular and platinum version like the meal plan... The other issue sounds like a software problem....hmmm...cross threading...hmmm

But an OCIP can be self insured as well... I certainly agree with your other points!

They would if they created an OCIP as many owners do during construction of a project... especially owners that are self insured... But we are digressing into an insurance education discussion..the point being made is the park has stated multiple times it is an internal software issue and people keep bringing up maybe insurance won't let them show them...the park is self insured so that would solely be their decision, not an insurance companies decision .. If that were the issue why wouldn't the park simply state that and not have 14 pages of conspiracy theories on an enthusiasts forum? We can handle the truth on this one - if they said for liability reasons they are shutting down the webams, most would accept that. As I stated earlier, the video coverage enthusiasts are obtaining from legal vantage points will be far better quality than the webcam and would be far more valuable if an accident where to occur than from this webcam...

Not necessarily....a company can self insure on everything associated with their business...it is simply a matter of having enough in reserve funds and bonds/etc. to cover your activities and file such with the government... Fun fact...you can self insure your automobile liability insurance with enough funds and bonds..most don't because it is cost prohibitive but it can be done... Many contractors building things much taller and expensive than Orion are self insured...

Cedar Fair is self-insured....

Wouldn't it be funny if a park without a winterfest type event like Cedar Point got their park on the nomination list and then see where it ranks lol This would demonstrate the validity of the results....no doubt a park would get votes simply on name recognition and could probably crack Top 10 with no event....

Kings Island is not hurting in that demographic, and the same cannot be said about the Planet Snoopy areas at the other CF parks that offer this pass. There are days at KI that waiting for a Planet Snoopy ride is longer than the wait at Banshee or Diamondback. The same cannot be said for Cedar Point, Kings Dominion, or Carowinds comparing their Planet Snoopy to their respective "big" rides. There are times you can literally see Planet Snoopy on a favorable weather weekend at CP go an hour between a kid riding a ride - it is unbelievable unless you experience it yourself. I doubt you would see it this year at KI because they would not want to refund all the passes bought that would now fall under that category. Given the attendance that KI gets in Planet Snoopy I doubt we will see it here anytime soon; however, if a study shows they would make up for the loss of passes currently sold in the pre-K range with new pass holders and their pre-K children, then it would happen. Another thing to keep in mind is that surprisingly a large percentage of gold pass holders to KI have no idea of a platinum pass or that other parks offer the pre-K pass. So with the exception of those on this forum, and those that travel and know of the other parks, the typical greater Cincinnati passholder family has no idea about the other parks. I am amazed talking to guests how many confirm that statement.

I am positive some of the posts presented here daily provide them with amusement...

Well technically Orion bottoms out at the top of the ravine and begins going up over the ravine....

The post I referenced above...

While that is always a possibility, let's be honest that the webcam distance is too far and the resolution at that distance is poor enough that in the event there was an accident the video would likely not be clear enough to make out what happened from a liability standpoint and in court the eyewitness accounts would probably hold more weight than this webcam. Or they could time-delay the feed and be able to cut the feed before it goes to the website... If the potential accident concern was the issue the weatherbug webcam would have been taken down as well (I recognize it is more like still images but someone somewhere would have access to a video stream).... Much better video quality would be obtained by one of the many enthusiasts visiting nearby legal locations to get video and pics. This is not a new company and has been around since 1982 installing coasters... When the webcams went down it was thought to be a couple of days and Orion was not within a couple days of being topped off when they went offline. The timing is poor and yes coincidental conspiracy theories are bound to happen and have happened and will certainly be ramped up IF the cameras come up right after topping, but rlentless, that works in IT but not at KI, stated in an earlier post (on page 10) a very relevant and industry experienced explanation as to what has probably happened....

But if they are flying to the north, If they don't hit Diamondback then they won't hit Orion lol

To counter this though, a new member will not be part of the "everyone on KIC can interpret who has earned credibility" crowd since they haven't been around...especially more so when they agree to the TOS that states: "Posting information that is not public record and could be damaging to the reputation, business and/or day to day operation of Kings Island or its affiliates is a violation of the terms of service. Any information posted claiming to be from an inside source or claiming to be confirmed, when not being released from Kings Island or Cedar Fair, must be posted along with the name of the source. Failure to do so is a violation of an individual user's terms of service." And Shaggy did say " I trust my source, enough to not betray it." I couldn't find it, but I thought several years back a moderator posted something like "If revealing your source could get them fired, you probably shouldn't post the information"... And how is" earned credibility" measured and quantified to a newer member or even a long term one that doesn't follow every post and digest every word of an individual - is it based on the individual's reputation score when you look them up - if they are excellent, then we accept it at face value? Don't get me wrong, I think Shaggy carries a ton of credibility and had Brown stated Shaggy said it then this probably wouldn't have got out of control for those thinking Brown was the source. We have all seen in the past people get grilled for posting information that someone immediately asks for the source and is backed up with a Moderator asking for it too and for things a lot less than this... Should the TOS statement above be modified to state "unless it is posted by Dane, CoastersRZ, IndyGuy4KI, Malem, boddha, Shaggy" etc.

I think many thought that this post from Browtggrr was where it originated from... Browntggrr reply posts were giving the impression that he was defending his post, if he simply said "It wasn't me", we would have known it was Shaggy...

I edited my post concurrent with you posting LOL, but I still stand by that is not what they market themselves as but they may do so in case by case if a relationship client asks for it. That example is buried in their pics and dismantle does not show up as a service in pull down menus... Then why didn't they take down Firehawk and only had one mobilization on site.... The argument though trying to be resolved is someone stating as fact that the same company building Orion will be dismantling Vortex and these discussions are to show the core services these companies provide are contrary to that...so is it insider information about Vortex or a speculation that comes across as factual?