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Don't give them any ideas LOL Hopefully if they do offer this next year it doesn't overwhelm the park attendance like the introduction of Gold Pass to Cedar Point this year...I know they are two different things, but people go crazy with perceived free benefits!

Yeah, because no other part of the construction carries liability issues On the flip side, in today's litigious society, wouldn't they want as much coverage as possible to try to push liability on to someone else...unless it is truly a software issue beyond their control...

However, FunPix is not marketed or sold as limited to a particular park. They don't have a regular and platinum version like the meal plan... The other issue sounds like a software problem....hmmm...cross threading...hmmm

But an OCIP can be self insured as well... I certainly agree with your other points!

They would if they created an OCIP as many owners do during construction of a project... especially owners that are self insured... But we are digressing into an insurance education discussion..the point being made is the park has stated multiple times it is an internal software issue and people keep bringing up maybe insurance won't let them show them...the park is self insured so that would solely be their decision, not an insurance companies decision .. If that were the issue why wouldn't the park simply state that and not have 14 pages of conspiracy theories on an enthusiasts forum? We can handle the truth on this one - if they said for liability reasons they are shutting down the webams, most would accept that. As I stated earlier, the video coverage enthusiasts are obtaining from legal vantage points will be far better quality than the webcam and would be far more valuable if an accident where to occur than from this webcam...

Not necessarily....a company can self insure on everything associated with their business...it is simply a matter of having enough in reserve funds and bonds/etc. to cover your activities and file such with the government... Fun fact...you can self insure your automobile liability insurance with enough funds and bonds..most don't because it is cost prohibitive but it can be done... Many contractors building things much taller and expensive than Orion are self insured...

Cedar Fair is self-insured....

Wouldn't it be funny if a park without a winterfest type event like Cedar Point got their park on the nomination list and then see where it ranks lol This would demonstrate the validity of the results....no doubt a park would get votes simply on name recognition and could probably crack Top 10 with no event....

Kings Island is not hurting in that demographic, and the same cannot be said about the Planet Snoopy areas at the other CF parks that offer this pass. There are days at KI that waiting for a Planet Snoopy ride is longer than the wait at Banshee or Diamondback. The same cannot be said for Cedar Point, Kings Dominion, or Carowinds comparing their Planet Snoopy to their respective "big" rides. There are times you can literally see Planet Snoopy on a favorable weather weekend at CP go an hour between a kid riding a ride - it is unbelievable unless you experience it yourself. I doubt you would see it this year at KI because they would not want to refund all the passes bought that would now fall under that category. Given the attendance that KI gets in Planet Snoopy I doubt we will see it here anytime soon; however, if a study shows they would make up for the loss of passes currently sold in the pre-K range with new pass holders and their pre-K children, then it would happen. Another thing to keep in mind is that surprisingly a large percentage of gold pass holders to KI have no idea of a platinum pass or that other parks offer the pre-K pass. So with the exception of those on this forum, and those that travel and know of the other parks, the typical greater Cincinnati passholder family has no idea about the other parks. I am amazed talking to guests how many confirm that statement.

I am positive some of the posts presented here daily provide them with amusement...

Well technically Orion bottoms out at the top of the ravine and begins going up over the ravine....

The post I referenced above...

While that is always a possibility, let's be honest that the webcam distance is too far and the resolution at that distance is poor enough that in the event there was an accident the video would likely not be clear enough to make out what happened from a liability standpoint and in court the eyewitness accounts would probably hold more weight than this webcam. Or they could time-delay the feed and be able to cut the feed before it goes to the website... If the potential accident concern was the issue the weatherbug webcam would have been taken down as well (I recognize it is more like still images but someone somewhere would have access to a video stream).... Much better video quality would be obtained by one of the many enthusiasts visiting nearby legal locations to get video and pics. This is not a new company and has been around since 1982 installing coasters... When the webcams went down it was thought to be a couple of days and Orion was not within a couple days of being topped off when they went offline. The timing is poor and yes coincidental conspiracy theories are bound to happen and have happened and will certainly be ramped up IF the cameras come up right after topping, but rlentless, that works in IT but not at KI, stated in an earlier post (on page 10) a very relevant and industry experienced explanation as to what has probably happened....

But if they are flying to the north, If they don't hit Diamondback then they won't hit Orion lol

To counter this though, a new member will not be part of the "everyone on KIC can interpret who has earned credibility" crowd since they haven't been around...especially more so when they agree to the TOS that states: "Posting information that is not public record and could be damaging to the reputation, business and/or day to day operation of Kings Island or its affiliates is a violation of the terms of service. Any information posted claiming to be from an inside source or claiming to be confirmed, when not being released from Kings Island or Cedar Fair, must be posted along with the name of the source. Failure to do so is a violation of an individual user's terms of service." And Shaggy did say " I trust my source, enough to not betray it." I couldn't find it, but I thought several years back a moderator posted something like "If revealing your source could get them fired, you probably shouldn't post the information"... And how is" earned credibility" measured and quantified to a newer member or even a long term one that doesn't follow every post and digest every word of an individual - is it based on the individual's reputation score when you look them up - if they are excellent, then we accept it at face value? Don't get me wrong, I think Shaggy carries a ton of credibility and had Brown stated Shaggy said it then this probably wouldn't have got out of control for those thinking Brown was the source. We have all seen in the past people get grilled for posting information that someone immediately asks for the source and is backed up with a Moderator asking for it too and for things a lot less than this... Should the TOS statement above be modified to state "unless it is posted by Dane, CoastersRZ, IndyGuy4KI, Malem, boddha, Shaggy" etc.

I think many thought that this post from Browtggrr was where it originated from... Browntggrr reply posts were giving the impression that he was defending his post, if he simply said "It wasn't me", we would have known it was Shaggy...

I edited my post concurrent with you posting LOL, but I still stand by that is not what they market themselves as but they may do so in case by case if a relationship client asks for it. That example is buried in their pics and dismantle does not show up as a service in pull down menus... Then why didn't they take down Firehawk and only had one mobilization on site.... The argument though trying to be resolved is someone stating as fact that the same company building Orion will be dismantling Vortex and these discussions are to show the core services these companies provide are contrary to that...so is it insider information about Vortex or a speculation that comes across as factual?

Where does it say O'Rourke constructs things...all of the above items are simply different marketing ways to present demolition in some form or fashion... Skyhigh's own webpage - "we have been erecting steel since 1982"...nowhere does it say they dismantle....and they go further to state "ready and willing to travel to meet your coaster installation needs". Key word is installation. If they did dismantle they would state that or simply say coaster needs... You are right though, either could decide to expand into the other market at any time if work is light in their niche, so do you have insider information to support your claim?

But companies that only design coasters have enough business to support staying in business... Some companies will only do demolition as some will only do new construction.... Look up O'Rourke- all they do is demolition - "demolition specialists since 1962" is their slogan... I guess we will know soon enough if you are correct...

Why about on Kings Island Drive by the drop-off/marque sign where they are about same distance from you..or the told booth where Orion is closer to our than Diamondback... nobody has posted the unimpressive pics from those viewpoints lol... As others have said - the ride experience is what matters and most put Maverick high on their list and that cannot be seen from the parking lot... But I also see the side where people are expecting a giga to be the "wow look at the size of that thing" view like the other gigas provide and from that aspect is where I expect most of the negativity about Orion will surface from the GP and many enthusiasts...

And said POV also showed Vortex, backward Racer, and Soak City moved to North side of park....

Looking up to the people on WindSeeker lol

We understand terrain and optics and things closer look bigger than things far away - it is just an observation that this will not tower the skyline like the other Cedar Fair gigas do. Standing in Carowinds parking lot right next to Intimidator and your eyes are drawn to the size and magnitude of the Fury lift hill that is towards the back of the park and don't really give Intimidator much thought...you hear people in the lot saying look at the size of Fury while they are literally next to Intimidator...Orion will not do that from our parking lot... To the casual general public Orion is not gonna give that major omnipresent feel like the other Cedar Fair gigas do - all whose lift hills are towards the back of the park...

Yet Fury lift hill is towards the back like Orion will be...or Leviathan... Intimidator at Carowinds is in the front of the park and Fury back in the park still overtakes the skyline....that likely won't happen with Orion...

THIS.... I just don't see this ride overtaking the skyline like Fury does at Carowinds even though they have another Diamondback like B&M in the park.... I hope I am wrong but I think from most vantage points it will get the nickname Diamondback 2.0