disco2000

According to the website, FL is coming to Winterfest. But probably an oversight (or typical lack of review), it says season long not valid for Winterfest in the fine print, yet says it is valid every visit. Or maybe it is intentional and season long FL isn't valid because they already got your money....

And people complain about KI PR/marketing....

I was cross-threading a joke LOL

They are only available to 2025 pass holders

And people think our marketing is poor.....

Pre or post desert add-on charge

You haven't yet anyway LOL. Many end up renewing once the new season starts. Let's check back in a year, or six months LOL.

As I have said before, at the end of the day, problems and all with the current direction the chain is going in, a season pass and add-ons still represents a tremendous value for the entertainment dollar and hard to beat on any other entertainment venue in a cost/hour comparison. Go to almost any restaurant outside of KI and try to spend less in a week on 2 meals per day than the meal plan for the whole season costs! Sadly, that also means the parks are given a lot of leeway before someone says that they are not going to renew and actually doesn't renew. We see posts here and on social media every year that people are adamant they are not going to renew...and not only do they end up renewing, they end up buying add-ons as well....and the cycle repeats... Until attendance and revenue take a big enough hit that they cannot attribute the decline due to weather, this is the new norm.... As someone here once said, they already have your money....

They have been playing that in Coney during the day of the past several Haunt seasons.

Nope - many passholders do not even have physical cards

No chance for a last minute buyer... https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/butler-county/west-chester/hindu-worship-center-to-take-over-entertrainment-junction-space-next-spring

But they aren't on the drink plan....

As terpy used to say "they already have your money" I bet you can buy some at Starbucks....

I know many people that say the same thing, yet most end up going again and complain, yet continue to go. Some have held their ground and have quit going. But they are in clear minority as people keep showing up. I often ask myself every year for the past several years if this is that year that ticks off enough people that the chain sees an attendance drop the following year, and every year they have record attendance or revenue and that makes it difficult for a publicly traded company to care about the little things that run people away because people still show up.

Sadly, you are experiencing what even some of the most die hard CP fans have been feeling for the last several years. People I know that would/could never say a bad thing about CP now complain. It is no longer the flagship park it used to be. Lots of factors come into play, but the overall experience isn't what it used to be. It will be interesting to see how they respond moving forward....sadly I think as long as people keep showing up in the record numbers, they have no incentive to improve the product. Why worry about if all the rides aren't going if the main parking lot fills up by 1pm on every Halloweekend ? Until the attendance drops noticeably, they have no incentive.

Nah, they just going for that weathered, homey feel

That only works for the rides that do not re-open like Racer, WindSeeker, Shake Rattle Roll, Eiffel Tower, etc. The majority of people don't leave The Beast line once is shuts down for fireworks. It could be some nights almost an hour it sits between shutting down early, the show, waiting to get the signal to re-open, all the while the line remains open until 10pm and continues to grow. This results in that ride getting out later than had it not closed. It may not be a direct correlation to the amount of time it was shut down, but on many nights, the line could have been cleared out by the time the ride is re-opened had it not had to close.

Sadly, that would probably cause Diamondback and possibly Mystic Timbers to have to close for the drone show and only Shake, Rattle, and Roll would be added back to not the rides not closing list as WindSeeker also is closed because of the lasers from International Street. The Beast and Orion (and possibly The Racer) would still be closed due to fireworks. And if they launched from there but then moved in flight to where they are now in the sky, that would shut down whatever goes in Vortex spot. It would be unfortunate to lose that much ride capacity, especially if they decide not to re-open some of them after the show.

The original calendar had them operating the weekend before Thanksgiving, but when they added another weekend to Haunt, they pushed back the start date of Winterfest. Due to the way the permit is in Ohio, the rides cannot operate after 12/31, so until KI decides to address whatever that would entail, ours will not open after 12/31.

New SOB - Sirens Curse in wood form

There aren't liquor stands within 50 feet of those dots, new alcohol stands confirmed

And years, and years LOL. Plus, per stormwater regulations, any disturbed land that will be left idle for more than 21 days needs to be seeded and strawed, even if they plan on doing construction 25 days from now...contractors complain all the time about that timeframe on active sites and have been known to occasionally move some dirt around to "loophole" that regulation LOL. So I think we see some of that as well.... Anything is possible, but they have had the chance for years to move the fireworks or drones to that spot, but then it would completely throw off the aesthetics that we get now from the front of the park. Being able to look over the fountain and past Eiffel Tower to the show behind it is what makes the show. Having everyone have to turn to look at Drop Tower for the fireworks and drone show would lose the aesthetic appeal they show has now. Just ask KD fans when they launch the fireworks from the front of the park to the left instead of near I305/Project305.

Um, your FB site since its inception in 2016 has given more park updates than the park has.... Jim is on top of it with his daily posts...

How did the customer not get anything out of it? Depending on their home park, they got an extra year to almost two years for the price of one year. KI did open in 2020 and all passholders got 2021 for free - how is that not getting anything out of it? Sounds like they paid for one year and got almost two years.... The parks had to take revenue for one year and spread it over two. The still had fixed costs even with a closed park. Remember that in the 2022 annual report released 2023 Q1, they noted that "In 2022, we sold a record 3.2 million season passes and generated more than $450 million in revenues from our suite of season-pass products, including all-season dining and all-season beverage....Operating costs and expenses for 2022 totaled $1.29 billion" Based on the most recent Quarterly call, 2024 is poised to set new records as well. So they have more than made up with new customers any they lost that felt they were not treated fairly by getting more than a year's worth out of their pass. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I bet looking back on it, they think they made the best decision in offering the next year free based on how well the parks have performed since. I think we would be looking at a seriously different park had they offered refunds in March 2020 - I think too many people shortsightedly would have asked for the refund concerned that the park would either not open or would go bankrupt. And then these same people would complain about now having to buy a pass in July 2020 when the park opened and having to pay more than they paid and was refunded 3 months prior due to the pricing of passes being cheaper in the fall when they originally purchased. We can knock the chain on many things, but most feel CF was more than fair in how they handled this extreme situation.

Do you feel the same way about all the tombstones of former rides? Parts of other rides sitting around as displays? I don't see the interactive station by SoB as trolling. I see it as a great way to re-use stuff from former rides just sitting around. If it gets people talking about a former ride, it is a good way for these families to pass on park history to their children and what is wrong with that? If someone wants to read too much into that, that is on them, not the park.