KI Height Restriction

[KILateNighter]

I heard that KI can only build so high due to a nearby airport from KI's 5@5 facebook, Is this true, if so how high is the restriction?

[Beast1979]

Never heard of one for KI. If it is true, it must not be very restrictive, since Drop Tower, Eiffel Tower, and soon to be WindSeeker are all over 300 feet.

[flightoffear1996]

I know Alton Towers isn't supposed to build over the tree line!

[bkroz]

I know Alton Towers isn't supposed to build over the tree line!

And that restriction has lead to the creation of some incredibly innovative rides - Nemesis, AIR, even Thirteen - as well as maintained a stunningly beautiful park. With all due respect to the masterminds at B&M, if there weren't such a restriction in place, Alton Towers may be just another park to have just another B&M hyper airtime-machine, or another Batman-layout inverted coaster. Instead, it's recognized as having diverse, unique, and worlds-first style rides.

Nemesis, in particular, is maddeningly genius - the lifthill ends at the treeline, and the ride is completely built into quarries, valleys, and tunnels.

And come on... Any park that creates and maintains a "river of blood" to accentuate the post-apocalyptic area of the park? How can they not get an A+ for innovation?

[KILateNighter]

Once when some dingyhead once asked KI's 5@5 that if KI can build the first 500ft ride (that would be awesome though) KI responded no there is a airport nearby and we have height restrictions, so what could it be?

[AZ Kinda Guy]

There is no height restriction placed upon KI.

Edit: Forgot to put the word "no" in there. My bad.

[KILateNighter]

There is no height restriction placed upon KI.

Edit: Forgot to put the word "no" in there. My bad.

So basically KI's Facebook lied to us?

[faeriewench]

I don't think KI does, but CP did/does I believe. (TTD came to mind)

[HTCO]

There is no height restriction placed upon KI.

Edit: Forgot to put the word "no" in there. My bad.

So basically KI's Facebook lied to us?

No. I just think your mistaken. The nearest airports near KI are the Dayton and Cincinnati airports. Which are both fairly far from Kings Island.

[EssentiallyCoaster]

There is no height restriction placed upon KI.

Edit: Forgot to put the word "no" in there. My bad.

So basically KI's Facebook lied to us?

No. I just think your mistaken. The nearest airports near KI are the Dayton and Cincinnati airports. Which are both fairly far from Kings Island.

Those are the closest airports with air carriers. There are many airports near KI if you look at a chart.

[Oldiesmann]

There are dozens of airports within 20 miles of KI (counting both public and private ones, as well as "airfields" such as the one near Waynesville)

[Gordon Bombay]

Before the conspiracies start, it seems like KI's facebook was just giving you a short answer to an incredibly detailed question. The situation is not like the one in Louisville where their proximity to the airport restricted SFKK's height, but I would assume that KI does have some sort of limit. Is this due to nearby airports? I wouldn't know, but I do know a certain aviation enthusiast on this site who might.

From my understanding, Dayton and CVG are both too far from the park to have any kind of FAA restriction placed on the park's building codes. Not to mention, CVG is in a completely different state. Perhaps the person who responded to the facebook question was alluding to the smaller regional airports nearby, maybe they can't approach heights of 500 ft, maybe they were just being funny with the answer. From my experiences flying with Nemo, I do know that there are recommendations pilots must follow in terms of flying above the park.

[CoastersRZ]

I believe the airport in question was the Wilmington airport. But that being said an exact height restriction was never mentioned in terms of what the actual height limit was.

I do know that there are height restrictions of some kind over Coney, as Lunken Airport is nearby. The airspace over Coney is actually controlled by Lunken as it is on the approach to one of their runways. Which is why one tends to see a lot of planes flying over Coney.

[Oldiesmann]

Another airport that could be a factor is Dayton-Wright Brothers Airport - it's only 17 miles from KI and is almost directly north of there (though slightly further east).

[KILateNighter]

Is this what it could be?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon-Warren_County_Airport

[Monroe]

Since Nemo is hard to find any more (unfortunate) I will chime in. First off, there are NO restrictions on KI in regards to commercial or cargo aircraft, all large aircraft are above 5,000 ft. (generally they are at 10,000 ft and descending into CVG considering the pattern follows I-71 but the altitude depends on the weather) so that's out. Second, the general aviation airports, Blue Ash and Lebanon. Both are about 9 statute miles from KI as the crow flies, that is about 7.8 nautical miles. Since most general aviation aircraft have no problem reaching 1,000 ft in just a couple of miles, I do not see them having any restrictions on height in regards to general aviation aircraft. So why would he say there are restrictions on height due to nearby airports? Well here's the thing, the FAA thinks they rule the world and they want to take ov...........oops back on topic. The real reason is because of antenna mast height regulations, which is closely regulated by the FAA because of the general aviation air space. (I know, what the h-e-double tooth picks is he talking about) Gordon Bombay mentioned it a little when he said: "I do know that there are recommendations pilots must follow in terms of flying above the park." This is true no matter where you fly, and that is so because of radio and tv antenna masts (not to mention buildings and other fixed tower structures). Now the tallest one in the KI area is 700WLW, that mast is a 747 ft Blaw-Knox vertical radiator antenna, (little tid bit, it used to be 800 ft but the harmonics it caused made any thing metal turn into a radio so they lowered it to 747 ft.) but beyond that most are under or at 400 ft. The State of Ohio (I believe, I could be wrong on this though) has a regulation regarding cell towers and masts to be 200 ft or under, all other antenna masts are specific to purpose. To boil it down, I would say that if they do have a height limit, it is around the 400 ft mark just because of the antenna issue. I'll shut up now because you all are probably board out of your wits by now.

[KILateNighter]

I'll shut up now because you all are probably board out of your wits by now.

This is actually Pretty interesting Thanks Monroe for the clarification!

[Monroe]

^do you mean me shutting up, or you being board out of your wits?

[KILateNighter]

^do you mean me shutting up, or you being board out of your wits?

No i meant dont worry about it is neat info not boring

[Monroe]

So you want me to shut up then?....(I know what you meant, I just keep forgetting to put those stupid little smileys and such at the end)

Here is a video tour of the transmitter and antenna mast, great stuff!

[KILateNighter]

So you want me to shut up then?....(I know what you meant, I just keep forgetting to put those stupid little smileys and such at the end)

Like This?

[KILateNighter]

So you want me to shut up then?....(I know what you meant, I just keep forgetting to put those stupid little smileys and such at the end)

Here is a video tour of the transmitter and antenna mast, great stuff!

That vid is neat, wouldn't be so neat to have a plane crashed in it though!

[Monroe]

^But a plane has hit the antenna mast before, lightly damaging the mast and I am not certain on what happened to the plane. Mentioned briefly on this web page.

http://www.ominous-valve.com/wlw.html

And another good web page by Jim Hawkins, the maker of the video I posted.

http://www.j-hawkins.com/wlw.shtml

[CoastersRZ]

Very cool video. Thanks for sharing it Monroe!

[Scott Evans]

Since Nemo is hard to find any more (unfortunate) I will chime in. First off, there are NO restrictions on KI in regards to commercial or cargo aircraft, all large aircraft are above 5,000 ft. (generally they are at 10,000 ft and descending into CVG considering the pattern follows I-71 but the altitude depends on the weather) so that's out. Second, the general aviation airports, Blue Ash and Lebanon. Both are about 9 statute miles from KI as the crow flies, that is about 7.8 nautical miles. Since most general aviation aircraft have no problem reaching 1,000 ft in just a couple of miles, I do not see them having any restrictions on height in regards to general aviation aircraft. So why would he say there are restrictions on height due to nearby airports? Well here's the thing, the FAA thinks they rule the world and they want to take ov...........oops back on topic. The real reason is because of antenna mast height regulations, which is closely regulated by the FAA because of the general aviation air space. (I know, what the h-e-double tooth picks is he talking about) Gordon Bombay mentioned it a little when he said: "I do know that there are recommendations pilots must follow in terms of flying above the park." This is true no matter where you fly, and that is so because of radio and tv antenna masts (not to mention buildings and other fixed tower structures). Now the tallest one in the KI area is 700WLW, that mast is a 747 ft Blaw-Knox vertical radiator antenna, (little tid bit, it used to be 800 ft but the harmonics it caused made any thing metal turn into a radio so they lowered it to 747 ft.) but beyond that most are under or at 400 ft. The State of Ohio (I believe, I could be wrong on this though) has a regulation regarding cell towers and masts to be 200 ft or under, all other antenna masts are specific to purpose. To boil it down, I would say that if they do have a height limit, it is around the 400 ft mark just because of the antenna issue. I'll shut up now because you all are probably board out of your wits by now.

There are height restrictions due to the airport there. There is a complex mathematical calculation to determine the maximum height allowed by the FAA based upon distance to the airport and length of runway or if there are any taller structures in line of sight that were previously built prior to the runway. Tower heights for all communication towers are set by the FCC with FAA approval. Don't believe the state has any jurisdiction on tower height.

Also WFTK's tower is 810 feet above average terain and is located near KI.

The formula and regulation is found here http://edocket.acces.../14cfr77.23.htm

And http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/janqtr/14cfr77.13.htm

[Monroe]

There are height restrictions due to the airport there. There is a complex mathematical calculation to determine the maximum height allowed by the FAA based upon distance to the airport and length of runway or if there are any taller structures in line of sight that were previously built prior to the runway. Tower heights for all communication towers are set by the FCC with FAA approval. Don't believe the state has any jurisdiction on tower height.

Also WFTK's tower is 810 feet above average terain and is located near KI.

The formula and regulation is found here http://edocket.acces.../14cfr77.23.htm

And http://edocket.acces.../14cfr77.13.htm

First, both of the articles deal with objects built within a 3 mile radios of the runway, KI is outside of that 3 miles. I never said that there where not restrictions at all, I just eliminated the obvious and stated what the regulations are most likely to be. Second, the FCC petitions the FAA for antenna heights, with the FAA having final say. Third, I thought I had read some where that the state of Ohio had put a height limit on cell towers but I could not find it, that is why I said I could be wrong. Fourth, WFTK is on top of the 747 ft antenna mast that is owned by 700 WLW, so state where you got the info about it being 810 feet.

http://www.necrat.us/wftk.html

[Forgotten Scream]

there is also the blue ash airport - a small airport maybe 15 minutes or so just down 71 off of pfeiffer and reed hartman ( i believe...)

[XGatorHead 8904]

there is also the blue ash airport - a small airport maybe 15 minutes or so just down 71 off of pfeiffer and reed hartman ( i believe...)

Monroe mentioned that in his previous post and discounted it as a reason for a height restriction:

Since Nemo is hard to find any more (unfortunate) I will chime in. First off, there are NO restrictions on KI in regards to commercial or cargo aircraft, all large aircraft are above 5,000 ft. (generally they are at 10,000 ft and descending into CVG considering the pattern follows I-71 but the altitude depends on the weather) so that's out. Second, the general aviation airports, Blue Ash and Lebanon. Both are about 9 statute miles from KI as the crow flies, that is about 7.8 nautical miles. Since most general aviation aircraft have no problem reaching 1,000 ft in just a couple of miles, I do not see them having any restrictions on height in regards to general aviation aircraft.