windshawne Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Heard a rumour that Robin Innes has been let go. Can anyone confirm this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 From over at Coasterbuzz (where no source was cited, but it's still something): They did indeed let go of Valleyfair's GM.They let go of the CP VP of Marketing, and put the corporate VP of marketing there. There's a new corporate VP of Marketing. Kinzel apparently still has a job. I don't know how Robin Innes might fall into play, but it's worth noting. (Is a PR director and a VP of Marketing the same thing?) I've always thought Cedar Point's PR system was a little odd. Sure, it's a bigger park, but I find it odd that, while Don handles KI's online PR and Paula (and Nathan) handle Holiday World's online PR, I never really saw much of anything from CP personally attributed to Robin, as far as guest interactions go. As long as I've known CP, Tony and Tyler handled that sort of thing until they moved on, and now Becca's handling at least the CP blog. Then again, maybe it's just different strokes for different folks. I don't know. Regardless, I'd say Ouimet's somehow in on this. Wonder what the reasoning was. EDIT: Do note that the "Kinzel" being referenced in the quote is Bart Kinzel, GM of Carowinds, not Dick Kinzel, his dad and the former CEO/President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 PR and marketing are not the same thing, although they are very hand-in-hand. "Public Relations" typically accounts for things such as charitable events, although many companies use that term to refer to media relations - which involves talking to the media, pitching story ideas, etc. Without trying to put a definition on Marketing Director, the influence you see from that position is more along the lines of "Buy Now, Pay Later," Gold Pass Benefits, pricing strategies, etc. It's more in tune with adding value and giving a reason to come to the park, while PR (or media relations) is more about spreading the word through outside avenues. Is Outmet behind this? Probably. It's not uncommon for a new CEO to shake things up a bit when they come into power. I do not know if Robin is still with the company or not, at the time of this writing, but regardless I wish him the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalefan Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 CEO's are like most presidents we have or had. Most say one thing and do another. Unless this rumor was said by Cedar Fair it's self, then it's not true. I have seen alot of CEO's come into a company and start letting people go who have been in that company for 25+ years and not offer any retirement packages. They only then offer the retirement package when the threat of being sued happens. Not sure why that is. I would love to meet Ouimet and ask him what his plans are as far as getting a new coaster or doing something with the Soak City at Cedar Point. That Soak City needs a major overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Soak City at Cedar Point is getting an overhaul. They are painting some of the slides and adding a new slide. I think that even Kings Island`s water park could use some new water slides as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsrattler Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 ^^ And as far as new coaster, rumor(from multiple facets) has it that one will be announced this year at Coastermania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Unless this rumor was said by Cedar Fair it's self, then it's not true. That's kind of like saying "Unless KI says it's getting a dino exhibit, it's not getting a dino exhibit." Is that true? Sometimes. And sometimes it isn't. If I recall correctly, Falfas' departure from CF was a rumor like this before Cedar Fair confirmed it. PR and marketing are not the same thing, although they are very hand-in-hand. "Public Relations" typically accounts for things such as charitable events, although many companies use that term to refer to media relations - which involves talking to the media, pitching story ideas, etc. Without trying to put a definition on Marketing Director, the influence you see from that position is more along the lines of "Buy Now, Pay Later," Gold Pass Benefits, pricing strategies, etc. It's more in tune with adding value and giving a reason to come to the park, while PR (or media relations) is more about spreading the word through outside avenues. Thanks for clarifying that, Boddah. Just one thing: Is Outmet behind this? Probably. It's not uncommon for a new CEO to shake things up a bit when they come into power. Isn't the point of this thread the fact that he's Inmet, and several employees are now Outmet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_SoB_fan Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 PR and marketing are not the same thing, although they are very hand-in-hand. "Public Relations" typically accounts for things such as charitable events, although many companies use that term to refer to media relations - which involves talking to the media, pitching story ideas, etc. Without trying to put a definition on Marketing Director, the influence you see from that position is more along the lines of "Buy Now, Pay Later," Gold Pass Benefits, pricing strategies, etc. It's more in tune with adding value and giving a reason to come to the park, while PR (or media relations) is more about spreading the word through outside avenues. Is Outmet behind this? Probably. It's not uncommon for a new CEO to shake things up a bit when they come into power. I do not know if Robin is still with the company or not, at the time of this writing, but regardless I wish him the best. Boddah you are correct. Although in the economy nowadays companies are combining their marketing and pr departments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoaster Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I thought p.r. went to an outside company now at Cedar Fair, so will anyone keep their jobs? Also do you think really coasters will not be built as much under the new boss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Mr. Ouimet has said the return on coasters is not as rapid as on family attractions, while acknowledging the importance of the former. Cedar Fair had already cut back dramatically on the number of new major coaster installations. You do the math, heaven knows Mr. Ouimet and company have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cedar-fair-names-kelley-semmelroth-executive-vice-president-and-chief-marketing-officer-138511794.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 ^ Very interesting! I wonder if Semmelroth and Ouimet ever worked together at Disney. Regardless, based on this quote: Her experience, combined with our strong, park-based marketing teams, gives us the talent we need to continue to grow our business and deliver the 'best-day-of-the-year experience' to our guests. it seems like there's a strong emphasis on Cedar Fair's horizon on making the day a guest visits a CF park feel unique and memorable. I like where this is going... I'm very curious to see how friendly employees are within the next year. Something tells me employee morale and work ethic is about to make a big jump upward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 CEO's are like most presidents we have or had. Most say one thing and do another. Unless this rumor was said by Cedar Fair it's self, then it's not true. I have seen alot of CEO's come into a company and start letting people go who have been in that company for 25+ years and not offer any retirement packages. They only then offer the retirement package when the threat of being sued happens. Not sure why that is. I would love to meet Ouimet and ask him what his plans are as far as getting a new coaster or doing something with the Soak City at Cedar Point. That Soak City needs a major overhaul. I was really worried about the future of CF until I read your post about the CEO's. Thanks for your insight, I'm at ease now. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Something I found interesting today: John Hildebrandt, Cedar Point GM, joined Twitter recently. I don't know if that's just something personal he decided to try, but it's something that didn't happen under Kinzel regardless. (With Ouimet's emphasis on Internet presence, I wonder if it was encouraged.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I will feel even more confident in a funforward future when certain park GM's are no longer abart of the company, sonny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomTheater Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 John's tweet makes one pirate very happy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 For those that do not tweet A tweet from @CPGMJohn earlier today Today we finalized a schedule for removing the big screen in front of CP&LE. Midway view of MF and train station will awesome. More to come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Huzzah! The Kinzel days are fading away already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Agree but I hope they replace it with another type of night time entertainment. I enjoy winding down a long day waiting on a show. The family gets to shops and get a lite snack before the show. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioChris Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 An earlier tweet by John Hildebrandt: "Driving into CP this morning saw 2 beautiful bald eagles flying toward Millennium Force. I hope they enjoy the view." Hmmm.. both tweets mention views of Millenium Force, one mentions eagles... GASP!!! Flying Eagles in view of Millenium Force!! A joke, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_SoB_fan Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Something I found interesting today: John Hildebrandt, Cedar Point GM, joined Twitter recently. I don't know if that's just something personal he decided to try, but it's something that didn't happen under Kinzel regardless. (With Ouimet's emphasis on Internet presence, I wonder if it was encouraged.) Greg Scheid just joined Twitter as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkroz Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 https://twitter.com/#!/KIGMGREG And with the same Twitter handle format. Methinks this more than a coincidence. @KIGMGreg @DPGMMcClure @CPGMJohn But will there be a @CWGMKinzel? What was that Ouimet said about being more engaging with visitors? More accessible online presence? And this season, Cedar Point will feature never-frozen burgers, an open line of sight down the Millennium midway, and a nighttime light show that (in true Disney styling) is called "Luminosity" that is expected to trickle to other parks as success is proven. And no one could overlook the other "Disney-esque" benefit for people staying onsite, who get into the park a half hour early... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsrattler Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 ^ There's a Kinzel what works at Canada's Wonderland? Kingsrattler, being mischievous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valleyfair Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I wonder who the new GM of Valleyfair is. Also I thought Kinzel (Bart) was at Carowinds, not CW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Bart's at Carowinds...at the moment. A little bird told me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leland Wykoff Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Interpreter, Please! Sing us the sweet little song the bird sung to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XGatorHead 8904 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 ^In my time on KIC, many are the times I've seen Terpy hum a bit of a melody, but never have I seen him sing a whole tune. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 An earlier tweet by John Hildebrandt: "Driving into CP this morning saw 2 beautiful bald eagles flying toward Millennium Force. I hope they enjoy the view." Hmmm.. both tweets mention views of Millenium Force, one mentions eagles... GASP!!! Flying Eagles in view of Millenium Force!! A joke, of course. Before the announcement of Gatekeeper. Park official just happens to mention (wild) eagles. With a view of Millennium Force. Hints. Dropped in plain site. Yet some birdies want to complain about signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Towering above us. Another diversion? Or just a joke? The best in fun, now playing. Terp, whe does what he does because he does. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I really don't believe the bald eagle tweet was a hint at all. There is a bald eagle nest near the CP marina (next to MF) & pics have been posted to their page back in December 2012: From CP Marina FB page: http://www.facebook.com/jackeym/posts/4392985945615?comment_id=57606273&ref=notif¬if_t=like#!/photo.php?fbid=10152375587110298&set=a.10150180793960298.429494.10150155427005298&type=3&theater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Oh, I well know about the eagles, but why suddenly mention them in that context and then? Even if the slip was Freudian, I submit the clue was there, up in the sky...even if only beheld by newly trained eyes due to what was to come. I doubt this was just a cigar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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