Hawaiian Coasters 325

It focuses on trying to keep the speed maintained from drop to brakes. Like Fury's goal is to keep the 95 mph from drop to brakes.

That is what I am trying to explain. Gigas and hypers aren't similar.

I mentioned a lot of it in past posts, but I really needed to put this video up so that we can stop the whole "a giga is too similar to Diamondback" thing. A lot of people didn't believe me and I just wasn't being specific enough with my comments in the past. So this video backs me up.

Well knowing Cedar Fair, it seems like they are going routes of sprucing up areas of parks with new coasters. They spruced up Action Zone with Banshee, they spruced up Rivertown (theming wise) with Mystic Timbers. They also like to add coasters that fits in with themes of areas where they add stuff around the coaster that fits in with the theme. For example Mystic Timbers (Rivertown), Twisted Timbers (Candy Apple Grove), and Steel Vengeance (Froniertown). Knowing the direction I see, it seems like either Coney Mall or Oktoberfest seems to make the most sense on the next coaster. Oktoberfest I feel is overdue for some sprucing along with a big attraction.

I do think we will get all of those in the next few years starting this year with Coney BBQ. I don't see a huge gap between MT and the giga (or whatever comes next) like what happened between Diamondback and Banshee. I think the latest our next coaster will be coming is 2021. Which sounds like the year to me. I do however see a gap between the giga and the next coaster after that (which imo will be a mack multi launch or RMC woodie) Next 5 years for this park Counting 2018 2018 - Coney BBQ 2019 - Planet Snoopy Expansion 2020 - New thrilling flat ride and 2021 hype 2021 - b&m giga with a spruced up Oktoberfest 2022 - 50th anniversary - park improvements + return of antique cars and a new eating place.

To those of you saying Kings Island should not get a giga because we already have Diamondback. Check out this interview of Rob Decker from Fury's opening where he clearly explains the difference between Fury 325 and Intimidator (or any other hypers). All the points he makes should spark a Kings Island giga. I need this video to back up a lot of the points I made.

Rob Decker has great points. I think those should spark a Kings Island giga. Like I think this should point out to the people who thinks a giga is too similar to Diamondback. Like I think Rob Decker would say for the KI giga (Imo) would be "when we added DB in 2009, attendance spiked and then 5 years later when we put in Banshee in 2014, the attendance spiked again, and then when we put in Mystic Timbers, the attendance spiked up again, so we wanted something that would spike up the attendance and keep it up because of a signature ride that people would talk about with Kings Island forever." That is just my theory of why it makes sense for Kings Island to get a giga and what Rob Decker might say about it.

I think Kings Island wants to keep The Beast as their longest coaster and make the giga their second longest.

I think they will definitely top Fury 325. 1) because of marketing reasons. 2) the reason it took Cedar Fair a while to top Millennium Force was because of how if I305 would've been taller, it would've been almost dangerous on that first turn and Leviathan was the prototype test for Fury 325. So if Kings Island gets a giga, it will most likely be record breaking. But even if it isn't taller than Fury, the marketing of 300+ foot tall drop would be an eye catcher, but I see them going the tallest and fastest giga coaster. If it were to be the longest giga it would also be the longest coaster because of Steel Dragon 2000. Anyway, anyone excited for Coney Bar B Que? Does anyone think that it could be a sign of a future huge Coney Mall development? Maybe 2019 since in the past whenever Kings Island just gets a restaurant, the following year is a huge investment, but I sorta doubt it. For example with 2013, Kings Island only put in the reds hall of fame grille and in 2014, they put in their single largest investment ever with Banshee.

Imo the opening season will be 2021 to be realistic. Im starting to highly doubt 2019 even though I was on the 2019 hype train a while ago. 2020 is a possibility, but that is also Cedar Point's year, so more than likely Cedar Fair won't build two coasters in the same state in the same year. But you never know. Cedar Point has surprised us before. Like some of us thought steel vengeance would've came in 2020 for the 150th anniversary, but it came in 2018. A lot of us didn't really think that Kings Island would build Mystic Timbers three years after building their largest investment ever. So we have gotten some surprises from Cedar Fair and we have gotten some trolls from Cedar Fair. Cough cough KD and the Planet Snoopy expansion.

I think that they should use the path that goes behind WindSeeker and make a hidden plaza like The Beast back there. I think the name should be Bearcat. 1) Bearcat would be a nice theme for the woods near The Beast. 2) It would fit great with the Cincinnati area with the Cincinnati Bearcats. 3) Kings Island likes to go with creatures in their names. I think the height should be 315-320 feet tall and will use the terrain and drop into a valley making the drop bigger than the height so the drop can be bigger than Fury. They should definitely keep the trees there so that it can be a forest ride.

Everyone has their own opinions. Imo Mega Force sounds like a Cedar Fair name. Like they already have multiple coasters with Timbers in it now.

Imo it's going to have Force in the name since the closest giga has Force in the name. Carowinds added the height numbers in the name since I305 is close. Even though it doesn't really mean anything, I kinda think this giga will have Force in the name. I think the name should be either Mega Force or X Force.

I kinda think Kings Island should add some trams again because its not fun when you park really far out and you are exhausted and don't want to walk anymore and have to walk so far just to get to your car. Add like little trolleys like whats at Disney or The Island in Pigeon Forge. Or they could do what is at some parks where they have a ski lift from the parking lot to the entrance.

I don't have a picture, but I've seen pictures of it online. It had like a 3D Leviathan train coming off the billboard advertising the height of the coaster.

Ok, thanks! I think the advertising for the giga would be insane. Like remember the billboard advertisements for Leviathan?

What in the world does mfg mean? I don't really like abbreviations.

I think we should get back on topic on what this thread is about. Since the b&m plant is only like 20 minutes away, that would mean lower shipping costs so that they could maybe top Steel Dragon 2000 in length and red force in height. I can just imagine the marketing with it. Like in Kroger in Landen (My local Kroger) they had advertisements for Mystic Timbers when it opened. Just imagine how advertisements would be in the Cincinnati area for a 330+ foot tall and 8000+ feet long giga coaster. The advertisements would probably be insane. Who remembers the billboard advertisements for Leviathan?

^^ That's why I sometimes don't think that's where the giga will go. There wasn't hint at a new coaster with DA leaving. It was just leaving because the contracts were up. I think it will be put where we least expect it.

^^ Also Don Helbig has said before that they have enough land to expand without removing any rides. Dinosaurs Alive does make sense, but Mike Koontz has said before that they have other plans that don't include the dinos area, so another location I'm thinking is on the left side of FOF by Adventure Express or they can remove the trees by Vortex's entrance to make paths that go behind WindSeeker to put a station back there. There are many ideas that don't have to use the old Dinosaur's Alive area.

The reason I think a giga is next is because Don Helbig has sorta hinted at it a little bit. No I'm not talking about the whole writing in the snow thing because that clearly was just a prank, but at NCC the year MT was coming out, when Don was talking about Mystic Timbers he mentioned that both a dark ride and a giga were options that they looked at when they were thinking about putting in Mystic Timbers. That just convinced me that both are going to be coming eventually. It could mean nothing, but that is just something to keep in the back of our heads. Also, guest feedback is a key. Yes there is the other things like marketing and those things, but guest feedback is a huge key. Like guests wanted something that more families could enjoy so that is why they got Mystic Timbers. People (mostly enthusiasts) complained that Kings Island needed a good invert so that's why they got Banshee. Which is something I use to give a counterclaim on the people who thinks CF won't allow a giga because of Cedar Point, I say that people said that about both a hyper and an invert and look we got one. Cedar Point even uses guest feedback a lot. I'm sure guest feedback (along with marketing and those other things) for Steel Vengeance. I know a lot of people kept asking them to give Mean Streak the RMC treatment.

A giga I made for that area. It is named Mega Force. Yes, they probably would have to move the fireworks launching pad somewhere else, but I think they could manage that. Yes, Mega Force doesn't sound like the best name, but to me, it sounds like a name Cedar Fair would do. They have three coasters now with the name Timbers in it so I think this would be the third coaster with the name Force in it since there already is Steel Force and Millennium Force in the Cedar Fair chain (correct me if I'm missing something) but Mega Force sounds Cedar Fairy.

That is a little close to Mystic Timbers. It seems like Kings Island likes to put their new coasters far away from their last coaster like they put Banshee far away from Diamondback and they put Mystic Timbers far away from Banshee. They do that so that they can draw the big crowds to another section. Btw where would the station and entrance go since it is right by Diamondback and is far away from the rest of the park. The only way people would get back there is if they divided/expanded the White Water Canyon pathway.

I have no idea why so many people are against Kings Island getting an RMC. Remember Kings Island likes being known for their wooden coasters and Cedar Fair used Kings Island with Mystic Timbers to start the next generation of wooden coasters. This will be over ten years later and probably they'll want to start another generation of wooden coasters with an RMC topper track woodie. While I see a giga and a mack multilaunch or spinning coaster like Helix or Time Traveler coming first, I'm not ruling it out 100% since Kings Island will probably want another woodie since they like being known for the wooden coasters.

I still think a giga is coming. I just don't see CF working with Intamin. After the giga, a ride like Helix or Time Traveler would be amazing! That's what I think. 2021: B&M giga 2026: Mack Multi Launch or spinning coaster like Helix or Time Traveler. 2029: RMC Topper Track wooden coaster.