Gordon Bombay

There are trims on the first drop and there always have been... 2006: -Note the trim brakes in the bottom of the picture right in front of the train. 1979: -Note the older style "skid" trim brakes on the first drop. The Beast has always had trim brakes, just different types of technology throughout the years, it has always gone the same speed, now you are just stopped more abruptly.

The station master can still speak, you just have to talk to the right person to hear about the closing of the main tunnel.

I really wouldn't lend much credibility to the guy who cant even spell "cost", much less even get the facts right about the theming contractual agreements which have been pointed out to him multiple times in this topic. I think the evidence Todd has pointed out is a pretty good indication of things to come.

Fixed. Nice trip report. Glad you had a good time. Sorry to hear that the worksite was a bit lame, thats my favorite one at the park.

^Are you hinting that CF may try to close KI? If so, thats the funniest thing I've read all day, it almost as funny as Beast1979's logic.

Originally there we plans to have a giant drop on the stop where Flight Commander used to be but those plans changed when Paramount decided to go for the gyro drop as part of the Action Zone expansion in 1999.

Come on guys he has dial up, you know...the "ORIGIONAL" internet, leave him alone.

hahah ok fan of beast. While I personally prefer Beast over SOB (and you know this for a fact ), let jsut say that Villain in 2006 was far more rough than SOB in 2006.

While the base colors of red and yellow were the same as well as the patterns of red and yellow, the "bio hazard" markings were nt originally found on The Beast trains. Today SOB has been retrofitted with Gerstauler trains and now has red and blue trains.

The Villain is an awful rollercoaster, rougher than SOB, maybe KI could better up keep it, but that would be hard as even when the thing was smooth it still sucked. Just cause its posted on GL Today does not make it fact, just pure speculation like on here. Oh and Cstrwoman if your gonna claim wild rumors nad what not are on this site or that site, how about doing us all the minor conveinence and taking two seconds to link to those pages.

It says that there is no "Grandfathering" of buildings. No grandfathering to me is no grandfathering. ie - They need to close the second floor to the Golden Lamb Inn as it does not accomodate to ADA. Further, all of these plantations, throughout Virginian, Tennessee, Georgia, North and South Carolina should be closed as there are usually tall stairways that do not accomodate to ADA. There is no grandfathering after all. Once again, nowhere did it say it had to be closed. Try reading the topic again. Just becuase there is no grandfathering does not mean a building is forced to close. Like interpreter said earlier, usually the only time a building is forced to be brought up to the proper accomidations is when a complain is filed and a judge orders it to be brought up to code. My high school never had an elevator but as soon as there was a complaint one was built. Your junior college may have brought themselves up to code in order to appeal to more prospective students however, if a handicapped person had complained or not been permitted the full oppourtunity of that college due to limited access of the building, all it would talk is a complain and a judges order to have it be brought up to code. There is no grandfathering. My uncle is a alwyer, he is also disabled and does work in regards to ADA disputes at his company.

JZ, in response to your earlier question, Disney still owns the property in Hilton Head, both the beach front pool house and property as well as their condos near Shelter Cove. I went to Hilton Head this summer, it was my 4th time, every time we stay in those DVC resorts. They're very nice and a great value however they're staring to show their age.

Makes me think of the many historic sites throughout the country. Take a look at the Inns and buildings in Williamsburg, VA. Now under what was posted by Interp, there is no grandfathering of such structures. So what? We're supposed to close a building that has been in operation for 200 some years because it's no "accessable" to all people? I can understand making and abiding by rules for buildings that were built after a rule came into existance. To expect retroactive compliance at the detrement of others seems just a little far fetching. Don't ya think? No where in what interp posted or said does it say those historical land marks have to be closed.

In recent times, if a venue has long been closed to the public, it usually must be brought into compliance before being reopened. Among factors looked at in whether something is reasonable: how public is the access? what cost would be incurred to make accommodations? how much money is available to the facility owner? what provisions have already been made to provide universal access? Note that IR has been open for other events in recent years, including Nights of Fire and semi-public events like group meetings. Kinda scary that it's reached such a point that the government imposes such arbitrary rules. Sad to think how such decisions would affect historical sites and buildings throughout the country. Yeah man, the federal government is really becoming a facist state, trying to help out those with disabilities....the nerve they have.

The multiple topic situation has been fixed, but the link does not work KJKJ. *edit* Link fixed, that was my bad, sorry for the confusion KJKJ.

He's referring to the online survey's they used to do. So no, he wouldnt have to find someone to give him a survey, he would just take it online.

I guess that makes more sense. While they have shown they intend (or atleast to this current point in time; intended) to keep SOB up and running, I dont think they ever intended to do anything with GL except close it. If it happened to work out for them on a minimal budget....great...if not....they can do what they are doing now.

Not as many cases as those certain people would like to lead themselves to believe.

Those polls are in no way a reflection of the average guest and are old predating even SOME of the pre-sob accident modifications, not to mention they all pre-date the most recent 2007 modifications. Now that doesn't completely rule out the fact that maybe the majority of the GP dislikes SOB, but at the same time it lends no credibility to the claim that 90% of the guests coming through park gates dislike the ride. Regardless, the topic here is the closing of GL, and SOB is not GL nor is its situation comparable. Regardless of how much has been spent on SOB, GL is an entire park featuring its own unique problems and complications, where as SOB is a single ride. A very irrational comparrison.

Well if you wanna talk proof where is there any proof to back up your statement that 90% of those who ride SOB, hate it?

Says the guy who works in games... You and I both know that sometimes even Eco knows what happens...Its never what you know but who you know that told you what you know. And even bottom line ride ops nor their supervision even know whats going on or "know people"......no matter how much some seem to think so....they seem to butcher their perception of the truth.

Says the guy who works in games...

When Surf cincy closed, the beach bought a few of their old slides and currently use them in the winter for their taboganing atraction, which i feel is the most terrifying thing ive ever been on. Today Surf Cincinnati's slides are in pretty bad shape... I dont think you could slide down those easily.

They did announce officially that it will be an upcharge next year, whcih is why i dont see how cstrwoman feels shes been mislead.

First, where has it been confirmed that all paramount theming is going? Cedar Fair has a seperate licensing agreement for each attractions theme and a seperate agreement to use the Paramount mountain and logos, so which license are you specifically talking about? Second, what more do you want to know about Halloween Haunt for next year? They've alreayd said they're going to upcharge it and deliver a more intense event, I dont see how anyone has been misinformed here.