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Old Mister Kinzel had troubles of his own He had a wooden coaster which wouldn't leave his park he called his own; He tried and he tried to give the coaster away, He gave it to a man goin' far, far away. But the coaster came back the very next year, The coaster came back, we thought it was a goner But the coaster came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea The man around the corner swore he'd kill the coaster on sight, He loaded up his shotgun with nails and dynamite; He waited and he waited for the coaster to come around, Ninety seven pieces of the man is all they found. But the coaster came back the very next year, The coaster came back, we thought it was a goner But the coaster came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea He gave a torch to a little boy named Brown with a dollar note, Told him for to take it up with gas and wanted to see the smoke They tied sparklers around its neck, that SoB was sure to burn up Now they drag the ashes for Brown, all they found was his cup. But the coaster came back the very next year, The coaster came back, we thought it was a goner But the coaster came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea He gave a bomb to a man going up in a balloon, He told him to blow that SoB to the moon; The balloon came down about ninety miles away, Where he is now, well I dare not say. But the coaster came back the very next year, The coaster came back, we thought it was a goner But the coaster came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea They tried to fix it with a man way out West, Told him for to fix it like the one he loved the best; First the train hit the curve, then it jumped the rail, Not a soul was left behind to tell the gruesome tale. But the coaster came back the very next year, The coaster came back, we thought it was a goner But the coaster came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea The coaster, it had some company one night out in the yard, Someone threw a boot-jack, and they threw it mighty hard; It caught the coaster near the MCBR, she thought it spilt a beam, When back came a train and the guests with no air stream But the coaster came back the very next year, The coaster came back, we thought it was a goner But the coaster came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea On a telegraph wire, Kinzel's men were sitting in a bunch, The coaster was feeling hungry, thought she'd like 'em for a lunch; Climbing softly up the lift, and when she reached the top, Put her foot upon the electric wire, which tied their stomachs in a knot. But the coaster came back the very next year, The coaster came back, we thought it was a goner But the coaster came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea The coaster was a predecessor, a daddy of its own, With five little trains that moved like a cyclone; Blew all the coasters all away and tossed the guests around, The air was full of guests, and not a one was ever found. But the coaster came back the very next year, The coaster came back, we thought it was a goner But the coaster came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea The atom bomb fell just the other day, The H-Bomb fell in the very same way; Bat went, Drachen went, and then the King Cobra The human race was finished without a chance to pray. But the coaster came back the very next year, The coaster came back, we thought it was a goner But the coaster came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea

^ "Heads up, arms down, and hold on tight!" You should try it again!

^ So true. Here in Erie, PA we have Waldameer Park. It doesn't have the big, flashy rides (although Ravine Flyer II is fantastic) for the "bigger" kids, but it does have decent rides for all ages. It has the old-time park feel to it with a combination of smells: cotton candy, candy apple, and popcorn. Only a small handful of parks have the same "feel" (i.e. Kennywood, Hershey, old KI, Knoebels etc.) The atmosphere of all those parks make up for rides any day.

Added bold for emphasis: That is good since CP has: many other things to offer, and many other people to concern themselves than an enthusiast hinging their honored return on only 3 coaster manufacturers. Have a nice day!

I'm sure the ride is safe, but, if you do not feel that the height restriction is acceptable, do not let her ride it. Different ride manufacturers have their own height restrictions as do different states. The operator of the ride has to follow those rules. If they didn't, the resulting litigation if a accident occurred could be business threatening.

So if CP decided to relocate Big Dipper from GL, or bring back Cyclone you would not go back to CP next year? So adding rides like Behemoth, DB, I-305, and Intimidator at other CF parks over the past 2 years is NOT speading it out?

^Exactly what is a "modern" wood coaster?

I am a big fan of flume rides. When WWC at CP was removed, I was disappointed. When KCKC was removed, I was disappointed. When I rode Maverick for the first time, I loved the ride and kept talking about it. When I rode TR;TR for the first time, I talked about how disappointing it was to lose KCKC.

Also, sit in 1-1 on the left side. Coasting through the finale of ID with the mist operating in mid-day is quite refreshing!

I had the privilege of meeting one of CP's maintenance crew in downtown Sandusky and asked him that very question. He didn't go into exotic detail, but the conversation was very informative. They do not check steel track the same way wood track is inspected on a daily basis. They will check the lifts and MCBR of steel coasters due to the moving parts, and the steel track & supports are checked in great detail before the season starts using JLG's and cranes. Maintenance crews will ride the steel coasters at night & early in the morning multiple times to "feel" and "listen" for issues. If something does not feel right or sound right, they will go into a more detailed investigation. They will check known trouble spots more closely (i.e. WT's add-on supports MF's elevator lift, TTD's launch track & Magnum's pretzel- for sinking ) and will check the support column bolts from time to time.

Why? Is there something you would like to add to the Arrow discussion? If not, sit back, and enjoy the ride. Unfortunately, topics to tend to go in many directions. Yet when that happens, there is the possibility that other valuable information can be gained by reading the intresting discussion- as this has been. If we played by the black and white rules, there are many things we may never learn.

i'm not 100% sure that's correct, the way i understood the concept for the park now known as epcot (from a show from '06 talking about disney world) was this: http://www.justdisney.com/Features/walts_epcot/index.shtml

Apparently the park still had power and vouchers were able to be printed out. Good move SFWW.

Uh- I honestly don't believe you have actually read what I wrote. Back in the 70's & 80's KI was considered a theme park due to it's heavily themed areas while the rides were loosely themed. When Paramount took over, they concentrated more on themeing rides then themeing areas. So now, almost 40 years later, is a theme park considered a theme park for the themed rides or themed areas?

Yes, it is. What about EPCOT? It was an idea Walt Disney had for two theme parks in one: http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/parks/epcot/ But again, Disney and Universal are in their own class and should not be compared to a seasonal park- themed or not.

KI was certainly a theme park back in the 70's & 80's as it had themed areas. It seems to me, that at one time, themed areas made a theme park- a theme park. Now it seems that themed areas are not necessary, but for a park to call itself "themed" it has to have themed rides.

KI, and almost every other park out there, cannot be compared to Disney. It is a unfair comparison on many different levels. CP also had themed areas, and if Beast is to be considered a themed ride, CP has numerous themed rides on the same level. Now I do ask, how do you know that the designers would be shocked or ashamed at what KI is today? I would think they would be very happy that the park is still very popular and continues to not only improve itself but re-invent itself as well.

Wow... where to start.... You are basing an opinion off of second hand information. -and- It is REALLY BAD information. You should really confirm your sources before using their knowledge and opinion as your own. Yet your "opinion" does raise some questions: Why does a coaster have to be intense to be good? Why does a coaster have to be long to be good?

Umm, I did. See post # 38, or three posts up.

This begs the question, are KI and CP in competition with each other? Each is located almost 200 miles apart (4 hours) at different ends of the state. Each had it's own target audience (CP has Cleveland & Detroit; KI has Cincy & Dayton- Columbus is somewhat in the middle). And even if each is in competition, they have been from 1972 when KI first opened. I have not seen the competition as anything but healthy for the consumer- both family and thrill seeker.

How is it when a newspaper article comes out, it is easy to see the holes where the writer is inexperienced when it comes down to his/ her knowledge of rides & parks and as enthusiasts, we blame the writer. But when it is Mr. Kinzel is quoted, he is the one that had to screw up the quote, it could not have been the writer. Sigh

Intresting that you use "suspended coasters" in the plural sense, yet have only been on one. Bat was fantastic and BBW was a very good coaster. FD is decent, as is Vortex at CW, and ID is a nice leisurely stroll through the woods.

Blame it on the heat wave. Much like in the winter when it is extremely cold outside- people use space heaters; when it gets this hot outside, motors tend to overheat causing electrical fires. This is why it is always a good idea to keep airflow & filters clean to any motor. Not only will a blocked airway make the motor work overtime bumping your electric bill to kingdom come- it is a fire hazard.

What suspended coasters have you been on?

Nice find!