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Seeing as they're replacing a topspin with it, I'd consider it more of a flatride even though its a coaster.

What coaster was terrible? And @Browntggrr I agree. SWSA and SFFT both have Batman clones, granted one was a relocation. Fun little tidbit I believe that SWSA purposefully bought a Batman clone knowing that it would be something that Six Flags Fiesta Texas couldn't buy. I find it hilarious that Six Flags gave them one anyway. There was a loose Rumor for a while that Kings Dominion was meant to get a hyper in 2016. The whole rumor came from the picture of the park skyline on an illustrated advertisement depicting a B&M hyper with red track and green supports which would indicate that it was something for Candy Apple Grove.

That can't be indefinite though. It would be one thing if BGW ordered something from B&M every 3 years or so but the park hasn't gotten a B&M since 2007. If that's the case B&M is limiting their clientele by only agreeing to work with one park, especially if they haven't sold anything to them in over a decade.

If they didn't go with Intimidator 305 in 2010 they could have gotten a hyper twister model like what you see with Raging Bull at Six Flags Great America. That could have been enough to Market it as something different from a Apollo's Chariot. Now they have a twister giga so the most logical sense would be an out-and-back hyper which would basically be compared to Apollo's Chariot. So in a sense they should've gotten a hyper twister in 2010 and maybe they would have been in better shape.

You could darken a room with that amount of shade. I never understood why KD never got the standard layout. Is it a space issue?

Is there a park that you think is under-invested? This could be a park in a chain like Six Flags, Cedar Fair, Disney, etc or it could be an independent park.

What is the number one thing that could be changed by either management or the chain that would make this park better?

Is this something to look into?

Cedar Point is and will always be a destination park. They're adding that Esports facility and trying to target newer demographics. They're going back to their standard practice of removing something old and putting in something new. A boardwalk themed area would certainly give more people a reason to go to the park. Wicked Twister, MaxAir, and Kidsville all occupy a somewhat dead spot of the park so it would make sense to remove them all for something new and exciting.

I feel like having a Gerstlauer infinity coaster would make Valravn somewhat obsolete but that doesn't mean it doesn't look cool. I feel like a Cyclone style GCI would look good there

Here's a visual example of the smoke box modifications "Eli" represents the traditional crown smoke box door while "Lew Brown" represents the modified smoke box door

I feel like CF wouldn't send a coaster to sister park in the same state. Yes they did that with Firehawk but GL was shutting down. While it would be cool, I don't see CP giving KI a hand-me-down coaster.

I noticed that too. Rougarou is one of the least popular coasters at CP. Its not a bad ride by any means but its popularity certainly went down these past few years. I don't think people would necessarily miss it if it goes.

Eli looks like he's just came out of crown locomotive works. I hope to see what Levi looks like. @kimv1972 were either 19 or 12 ever taken off property for overhauls?

Then we would be Dorney Park 2.0

I wonder if its getting scrapped or relocated

The announcement of the mini dive coming to Fiesta Texas in 2022 shocked the amusement park community and got a ton of people speculating about changes in the chain. With a new CEO, I want to discuss whether or not Six Flags is catching up and how other chains like Cedar Fair respond. Cedar Fair's favorite parks don't necessarily directly compete with Six Flags (an argument can be made for Carowinds and SFoG), but what about the parks in the CF chain that do? Will we see Cedar Fair invest more in their parks that compete with Six Flags like CGA, Knotts, Dorney, WoF, and so on? I argue this might be a good strategy considering investing more in these parks, at least CGA and Knott's, would keep them competitive with Six Flags.

Why not just hire a company to create a movie centered around the Phantom Theater that can be played in the 4D Theater?

Regarding Peanuts and their roaming, I believe its all about location and convenience. The costumes are stored in Planet Snoopy so the characters are somewhat limited in where they can go. If they wanted Snoopy or Charlie Brown to make appearances in say Area 72 and Coney Mall, their costumes would have to be stored in proximity to those areas. They might store some costumes at Camp Cedar for Peanuts meet and greets.

These questions stood out to me the most. They might try and increase IP exposure with Peanuts. There were two questions about an indoor dining facility which makes me believe this is something they're considering. I believe WWG has this. The theming question is interesting because currently there is no theme. Granted its themed to Peanuts but still. WWG is well themed to Dollywood where as PS is basically a kids section. I've stressed how a retheme that still incorporates the Peanuts IP

When people try to make accurate speculations of the future based off of past decision-making they tend to get dogged. I know I get dogged on here for believing the park will get another B&M and it personally doesn't bother me, it just annoys me that sometimes personal biases take place over logical thinking. For example the publicly obtained commencement papers that showed the 2020 project had B&M listed as a company but people still thought that was wrong. From a business standpoint every coaster we've gotten under Cedar Fair has been a good return on investment. These coasters have great capacity, are reliable, and are crowd pleasers. I understand it is desire to want something of greater intensity but the more specific or ride is the smaller the demographic becomes. I know this is a Fiesta Texas thread but there are similarities in my argument. Let's look at this new edition. Six Flags start to work with a company that everybody said was out of their budget range. They wanted a coaster that was reliable, appealing to a great number of guests, and had a unique factor that would keep people coming back for more. I understand that people think that B&Ms aren't as thrilling as other manufacturers but their products last a great long time which is what you want in this industry. I wonder if their decision to go with a B&M dive was influenced by their desire to over take Sea World or if they're just giving Fiesta Texas another 1st for the chain.

I think they would look at other parks in the chain before putting another one in Ohio. They might look at parks like Carowinds, CGA, or Canada's Wonderland before ever considering KI. If they're trying to pull the gamer demographic, including another facility that arguably more people could access would hurt CP's location. CP sees themselves as a destination so I don't think they're going to try and pull people from across the country with this e sports complex just to build another one 4 hours away. That's not to say someone else might not try and do their own complex that's not under CF.

Esports make a ton of money actually. So popular NFL owners have a stake in it. There's merch and everything.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think a dive is their next move?

I was always told that an amusement park's main competitor is not other parks but rather electronic devices. This is a perfect way to attract the gamer demographic.