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As much as I love Arrow Mine trains, a GCI is always a welcomed addition in my eyes. I think Wicked before TTD. Despite its downtime, expensiveness to run, and even Kinzel himself calling it a "dumb decision" TTD is one of the major draws to CP. Wicked Twister was meant to be filler anyway so I don't think the park would miss it as much as TTD. I'm curious, what do you think CP would do after removing TTD if that was the scenario?

Normally I would agree that they should relocate it to a different park but the ball joints under the track would have to be addressed. It's pretty rough with the over shoulder restraints in my opinion. It's already 24 years old so I feel like if they moved it to another park it would only last for so long (not to mention assembling and disassembling might add additional wear and tear). Dominator was only 8 years old when it was relocated to Kings Dominion. Chang (a near clone of Mantis) was relocated when it was 14 years old. I think it would be wise to let it live out the rest of its life at Cedar Point. I daresay it would've been better to relocate it and convert it at a new park like Worlds of Fun where it could've operated for 20+ years. However with its conversion and rebrand they were able to market it as a new coaster and experiment with stand-up conversions that they later repeated with Patriot at CGA. Anyone know why Vortex at Carowinds was never converted?

Updated this poll. Vortex had 23 votes putting it in 3rd place before I took it out. Currently the top 3 are Backlot Stunt Coaster, Invertigo, and Adventure Express

I don't get the logic of removing Gemini. It has the highest capacity of any ride at the park and the wood structure can be maintained. The only reason to remove it would be if the track gets too old. The land isn't anything to write home about unless they chip away at some of the adjacent parking to accommodate more space. Magnum is another one I don't understand. Its surrounded by the water park so a replacement would have to virtually follow the same path. Besides, Magnum has that scaffolding style support structure which made it very narrow allowing for more water park space. If they went big and got say a 400ft tall B&M, they'd have to allow for the supports to jet out into the water park. It just seems like too much of a hassle to tear down and try and replace it vs just spending the money to keep it running. Rougarou on the other hand is a ride I could see them axing. There's nothing super unique about it and I think they could put something better in its place. I'm not saying it would be removed anytime soon but its always one of the coasters that comes to mind when a Cedar Point coaster removals discussion comes up.

The majority of us are Cincinnatians or people who grew up in the greater Cincinnati region. We like what we like. You don't have to comment on every little thing.

A weird request but with the loss of Firehawk I'd gladly take X-Flight at Six Flags Great America. Its not overwhelmingly big but still features 5 inversions and some pretty awesome near miss elements.

Knott's has been upping the theming for a lot of their rides these past few years. It would be nice to see that practice extended to us. Before Paramount KI was really good at theming. Ironically when the movie company took over, the theming started to decrease in quality. Cedar Fair has been chipping away at Paramount's handy work and we're starting to see a lot of character return to the park (2019 was the best example of this). Adventure Express, as well as all of Oktoberfest, should get some love. The ride itself is turning 30 next season after all.

I got my movies mixed up. I had RotLA in my mind for some reason

And what of the final tunnel?

Here's a really good picture of #552 when it operated at Kings Dominion. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/steam-kings-dominion-continental-1825848621

I believe the boilers are limited to how many hours they can operate a year which could be why they opt to not run them during Haunt in favor of Winterfest. A third locomotive could help disperse those hours up and allow for haunt operations to return if they ever needed it. I honestly think they need to bring the train back with how crazy Haunt gets every season. Cedar Point has 4 locomotives at their disposal which is awesome if one goes down for repairs. In Worlds of Fun's case, I'm sure having a second locomotive helps out a lot. Still it would be fun to see us acquire a 3rd locomotive, even if its temporary.

I think mine trains in general have that unofficial tie to Indiana Jones. The whole runaway mine train concept isn't anything new but I think Raiders of the lost Ark ultimately made it popular. I don't know how you can have Adventure Express truly fit in with Oktoberfest without retheming either the ride or the section. Truth be told the ride doesn't currently display a tie to a specific region until you enter the final tunnel (except for the snake in the 2nd tunnel).

We pull in over 3 million visitors annually. We need capacity

Fun fact, they have the same Vekoma collection as Canada's Wonderland. I didn't know Herschend operated this park either. It seems like a cool park but they have animals which Cedar Fair doesn't really work with. If I'm Cedar Fair I'd try to look for parks that have a waterpark; a resort too if possible. I keep bringing up Adventureland because it could help the chain sell more platinum passes in the midwest while still collecting revenue from the park and the resort. I feel like people are more willing to buy platinum passes if they have more parks within a closer proximity to them. If I lived in Des Moines and found out I could go to Adventureland as well as Worlds of Fun and Valleyfair, I'd be a happy camper.

Breaking records only works from a marketing standpoint. The more records your coaster breaks, the more marketable it becomes. I'll beat a dead horse and use my floorless example. Lets say Kings Island gets the world's tallest, fastest, and longest floorless coaster. The words "tallest" "fastest" and "longest" are easily marketable to the general public- which are the main target after all. Cedar Point excels at this because nearly every single coaster addition breaks some type of record therefore making them more marketable. For example, Valravn was built as the world's tallest, fastest, and longest dive coaster. When Yukon Striker came along, Valravn was simply remarketed as the tallest, fastest, and longest dive coaster in the USA. GateKeeper used to feature the world's tallest inversion and even after Steel Curtain came along to take that record away, GateKeeper still retained its respective wing coaster records. Some people might call it gimmicky but it works. I don't mean to contradict what I previously said about KI not looking to break records and instead opting for quality over quantity. I think its subjective to what the park wants. Cedar Point needs to add record breakers every few years because that's the legacy they've built and that's how they want to keep people coming in. Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on how you look at it, we don't need to focus on breaking records in order to bring in guests as its not crucial to our survival.

Okay when you say it like that it makes a lot more sense and really paints a picture as to what rides we should expect to leave down the road

How so? I've never been and only know so much based off of YouTube videos and such Side note I still think Adventureland would be a solid move.

So in theory for some of our baselines would be: The Bat- 2013 Backlot- 2025 Invertigo- 2019 Flight of Fear- 2016 I'm not questioning your logic or Cedar Fair's policy but wouldn't 30 years be a more accurate baseline assuming reliability isn't an issue?

I don't mean to make a thread for every potential coaster design that could come to the park but there have been quite a few members that have been talking about the possibility of a dive coaster coming for quite some time. Whether one arrives to replace Vortex, one arrives at the end of the 2020s or possibly later, or not at all is still up for debate. Their popularity among the GP, however, can't go unnoticed which is why many members argue that we'll eventually receive one. With that being said I open up this discussion about Dive coasters!

According to Wikipedia, Sheikra has 5 trains. I don't recall how many operated when I went back in 2012. I don't know if all can run without stacking or if they alternate trains throughout the year; part of me thinks the latter since they operate year round.

Maybe someone can answer this for me before the announcements- why doesn't St. Louis get more love? Almost every Six Flags park has an RMC or a 4D freespin (most of the time both) but St. Louis seems to be the odd one out.

Location can make or break a park. Cedar Point's proximity to Lake Erie makes the drive worth it. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Worlds of Adventure's constant desire to expand as opposed to investing in infrastructure ended up backfiring on them since they kept building up a park that was already hard to get to.

I wonder if Wicked Twister will last through the decade. It doesn't take up a lot of space to warrant a removal in that sense but if Cedar Fair is continuing the trend of removing Intamins, axing Wicked Twister would make the most logical sense.

Double post: How do y'all think CGA will do in the 2020s? Do you think they'll be a priority park with its current place in the Northern Cali market or do you think CF will keep it a mid-tier park. I personally see a lot of potential with this park, but I'm not in the amusement park business either.