SonofBaconator

The title is pretty self explanatory. I would like to hear what park some of you chose and why. To make it realistic I'm asking that people don't go off the rails- for example, don't say CF will buy Magic Mountain or Great Adventure (you get the jist). Other than that have fun and please be respectful of people's choices. I'll say mine later on! (Also water parks can be included if you want)

I think Vortex's land will alter Rivertown in a way when they eventually decide to touch that land again.

I never said that at all. The closest thing I can think of that sounded relatively close to S&S being more reliable than Intamin was talking about their 4d freespins. S&S has built 10 freespins since 2015, Intamin has only ever built 4 with the last one being in 2011; Green Lantern even has its own Defunctland video. Obviously there's a reason why parks are buying from S&S instead of Intamin. Heck Intamin redesigned their Zac Spin and as of 2020 there's no talks of one being built. I also said Intamin has a bad track record with CF where S&S does not.

I'd also say Carowinds. I think it goes without saying though that all the top 4 CF parks had a great decade. In fact I think the 2010s were a good defining decade for the chain- they saw which parks did better and which parks could be put on the back burner for the time being. Now with a newer CEO, the chain wants to forcus on the mid/ lower tier parks as well which will be needed if you're home park is Dorney, Worlds of Fun, Kings Dominion, etc. I wonder if Covid will force the chain to mainly focus back on their top tiers for the 2020s

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Call the parks up and ask them. All I can say is Cedar Fair experienced Intamin's failures 1st hand. They haven't really had any issues with S&S since Hypersonic was under Paramount ownership. Kinda the same logic behind CF working with Gerstlauer after the Smiler incident

Their standard 4d freespins are an improvement over Intamin's Green Lantern model. Though any ride with free moving parts is gonna be a maintence nightmare, parks can keep the smaller Joker styled ones in check given their size. There's a reason why there hasn't been a giant freespin like X2 built in a while but the smaller ones are extremely popular. You can find one at almost every Six Flags park, there's a few popping up around the globe and in the US. Heck even Cedar Fair is joining the party with KD's new coaster. Parks, in my opinion, are more willing to take risks with smaller coasters so if they end up being down, its not going to kill the park. Intamin has reintroduced their shuttle invert coaster with its new track and it looks pretty cool. It'll of course have downtime but it doesn't take up a huge footprint and is a short ride so it won't do a lot of damage if it has to to down for maintence. Wicked Twister shuts down and nobody panics. Millennium Force shuts down and everyone loses their minds.

Well other manufacturers have come along since then. Years ago parks used to buy from Arrow, Morgan, CCI, & Dinn. Then you get a good influx of Premiers, B&Ms, Intamins. Now we got other players in the U.S. market like Vekoma, Premier, S&S, Mack, GCI, and RMC that are giving parks something different. B&M and Intamin don't build rides like 4d freespins, huge hybrids, spinners etc. Parks aren't really buying a lot from B&M anymore because for the most part they already got their fill. You'll definatly see more dives, wings, and maybe flyers because they're unique enough to satisfy clients. Almost every park has a hyper, invert, or some type of sitdown looper of some kind by B&M at this point. In Intamin's case, they're finding themselves competing with companies like Mack, RMC, Premier, S&S and now Vekoma. While they were absent in the US for a good decade, the companies I just mentioned came in and made a good name for themselves in the current coaster market. Its all about relevance and track record. If you have a bad track record, parks are gonna be hesitant to work with you again, even if you've improved your product. I'm sure Cedar Fair is looking at how the Intamins at BGW and Universal do before they even consider working with Intamin again which in my opinion is still a longshot.

I think if it adds to the theme/story I'd say its worth it. Ques tend to be key when setting the mood for a ride anymore-I'd argue sometimes they make the ride better. Heck there were times I used to walk along the old White Water Canyon trail just because I enjoyed looking at the trees and feeling like I was somewhere secluded. Stuff like Forbidden Frontier at CP or even Tom Sawyer Island at the Disney parks where people can interact and view different things would be awesome.

@bkroz This is some of the best content I've read in a long time

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Did he really just say it's B&M track?

I think the big issue is RMC debuted their new trains when Cedar Fair contracted them. I dare say if Hurler had trains that were similar to Goliath or Twisted Colossus, it wouldn't have had its issues. I'm not sure if the old type of RMC trains could have worked on Steel Vengeance though. That or RMC didn't have has good of reliability as we thought since Six Flags was their primary client and we all know how reliable their rides are. I could understand if they would run in issues with steel Vengeance giving its size and length. Hurler on the other hand should have been walk in the park for them which is why I think it was the new trains that caused the headaches.

I think RMC came in and did their job. Mean Streak and Hurler needed to be converted. There's not a lot of other Cedar Fair woodies that I think would benefit from the Iron Horse treatment. The only ones that come to mind are Grizzly at Great America or Wolverine Wildcat at Michigan's Adventure. I think if RMC wanted to earn CF's trust back, they'd be brought in to work the coasters I just mentioned. We certainly don't need RMC to touch any of our wooden coasters.

I remember talking to CF executives back in 2018 and asked them where their relationship with Intamin stood as of that time. One person said they were happy that Intamin gave them rides like Millenium Force, Wicked Twister, Top Thrill Dragster, and Maverick since those were huge crowd pleasers. However, their reliability is what made them have a falling out in a ways. I recall one exec saying the cost to operate those Intamins had rose over 50% since their installations. They were also told by Intamin that Top Thrill Dragster would never stall after it was built which was a blatant lie since its happened a few times since. People were complaining that CP went with B&Ms between 2013-2016 but in reality that ended up saving them a ton of money in maintence costs. They said they'd never stop working with B&M because of this so don't be suprised if more come to the chain this decade. Going back to Intamin, they make fun rides but they've put themselves in a position where some chains would rather opt to work with another manufacturer. Will Intamin return to Cedar Fair? It would be dumb to say no honestly, but they're not going to be installing gigas, giant blitzs, etc right out the gate. I could see CF giving them a chance and go small like a compact shuttle like Wicked Twister or something like Maverick for a park like Canada's Wonderland, Great America, or something. For now though, companies like B&M, Mack, Gerstlauer, & S&S seem more appealing. I'm sorry if people love Intamin so much but from a business standpoint its not worth the risk for Cedar Fair to go back to them at this time. Universal and Sea World Parks can take this risk because they're in the postion where they want to attract more visitors from across the country that'll probably visit once a year. For the regional parks like Cedar Fair, it doesn't make sense to buy from a manufacturer that is known for downtime when a decent chunk of their parks aren't open the full year. Poor reliability and maintence plagued rides aren't a friend of seasonal parks which is why CF has been removing problematic rides the past few years.

Here's my thought for every B&M on this list: Dives: The coaster that's labelled as the "One Trick Pony" but is loved by GP. Dives are unique but there's more and more of them popping up which makes it a good and bad choice for KI. Good because the market is beginning to become saturated so it wouldn't hurt to have two dives in the same state. It would be bad because saturation can lead to blandness and the difficulty to be original. My final verdict is that its possible but not likely at this time. Family: We already have a family invert. Verdict is not likely at all Floorless: Y'all know my opinion on floorless models. Verdict is yes they should Flying: This is a tough one. I've watched El Toro Ryan's video on Superman Ultimate Flight and how complex it is which leads me to believe KI wouldn't want to mess with that. There's too many moving parts so to speak. My verdict is, if you go for it, you've been warned. Its not something KI needs and it would be too much of a hassle in my opinion; maybe I'm wrong. Sit Down: Not necessary with a floorless. Verdict is extremely unlikely Stand-up: Not a single stand-up has been built past the 90s and if that doesn't tell you anything you better do some research. Verdict is not a chance. Surf Coaster: This one's interesting since it sounds like it'll be B&M's 1st true take on a launch coaster with modified trains. My verdict is that its too soon to judge. Wing: Dollywood, Holiday World, and Cedar Point all have them. They're fun rides but the trains and the near miss potential are the selling point of the ride for me. My verdict on this is...maybe. (Kings Dominion needs one more than us)

Basically their take on Flying Ace Ariel Chase https://rcdb.com/6712.htm

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@IceePirate Aren't Diamondbacks supposed to rattle?

Was that video all you @Kyle Kruthoffer?

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As a guy who loves polls I added another one. The park's already been blessed with 3 B&Ms and getting more is never a bad thing. That being said what type of B&M would you like to see come to Kings Island next? This is all hypothetical so please vote honestly. I included all models that we do not have just to keep it interesting and avoid bias. I know this thread is going to be met with some controversy but never the less please keep this civil.

Orion more than made up for Firehawk. The part of the ride that didn't make it re-ridable was its super loud anti-rollbacks right at my ears and having my face fully exposed to the sun. If Vekoma built their Flying Dutchmans like B&M Flyers where you face the ground the whole time, I think it would've been more enjoyable to me