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Could be gone today, here tomorrow as they run more cycles.

But at the same time, if they decided November 15th and the park doesn't open for another 6 months, what good does it do - too late to ride at that point. Whenever it was decided to remove, the park/chain determined the timing wasn't right to announce. And people should be aware actions on their job have consequences. Vendors sign contracts for a reason. Employees agree to social media posting for a reason. I am reminded of a quote that Jason McClure (made while Senior VP in chain) has said and I have used it on the forum frequently as to why something may or may not be said from Corporate: "It is important to remember that Cedar Fair is a publicly traded company and that affects the type and timing of our communication." That simple statement says it all. There are countless of real world, everyday examples demonstrating this same technique in other businesses and industries. At the end of the day, they are not under any obligation to tell us the whole truth and thus they control the narrative and how it is presented (unless of course someone leaks it out earlier). The fact of the matter is someone in the know will not officially come out and say something against the narrative the park is telling...unless they don't care about potentially losing their job LOL.

In part why I have said for years other kid's areas within our own chain are better fits for "best kid's area" than ours ever was.....

It happens at every park. Maybe the bigger parks are more national news worthy, but I have seen national news run stories of regional rides getting stuck. Although getting stuck is a misnomer....the rides are designed to ensure guest safety with all the sensors and are not actually stuck. And to this point...can The Beast run with the exit gate ajar - sure it can - how many years did it operate without a sensor or magnetic gate there and could be open or unlocked and the ride still ran.... But safety is always a continuous improvement and thus the change to a magnetic exit in recent years, along with other safety features that most of the general public never see or here about. Most of the GP fail to realize that safety is the utmost importance on these rides and because the rides are a closed system, any sensor that faults cause the ride to shut down, and the majority of the time there isn't a real risk to the guests. That is intentional. Sure they could program The Beast to still run when the exit gate opens, but why would you do that and run the what if risk? Contrast that to a vehicle - your O2 sensor can come on, your check engine light can come on, you can open your door while in motion, the car will go without the seatbelt latched, etc. All of these are sensors that fault and throw up a warning light on your dashboard, but the car doesn't immediately slam the brakes on you while driving and come to a halt, but instead allows you to still drive it with those warnings in order to pull over to a safe place. At some point, depending on the severity of the issue, the car may came to a stop LOL, but it isn't as soon as the PLC throws a warning. Could you imagine a warning light coming on in your vehicle on I-71 and the car immediately stops and the chaos that occurs with all the vehicles behind you trying to avoid you. That would be a worse scenario than letting you continue with a check engine light on. Because a ride is a controlled environment, it can stop whenever the ride programs it to stop because it is a closed environment without having to worry about other outside entities being impacted by it. Sure it is a minor inconvenience to the guest, but it ensures that safety of the guests and employees are put first, along with the operational longevity of the ride because it isn't running hours on end with a "check engine" equivalent light on.

I guess Pantherian and KD being 80 miles away and in the same state as BGW isn't in the Mid-Atlantic...

The Orion spacecraft hit true giga heights 😝

If that were the case, then the chaperone policy would only be needed the first couple of opening weekends...

Why do parks in general have so much trouble opening day... https://local21news.com/news/local/active-police-incident-at-hersheypark-confirmed-by-dispatch-eyewitnesses-describe-scene?fbclid=IwY2xjawQ9aJhleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFEd3RRbExmRkp0MGJHUHc0c3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHvl7LzfYirrD0sx33hqBP5G-L0wTmOfkwNtQ8HkAxYs9KbYS6ADiwnw-ZHBC_aem_h4ga6IXkLl1hrC4rlaxzvw https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1bbq3SNGRP/

Or is this just for the Spring Break event.

Probably already selected the usual cast of characters....

^This exactly. Nice weather and KI will pull 30k attendance daily during the weekend ops. For good or bad, we are a pass heavy park where people come regardless of the product being offered...

Sounds like they are still employing the adorable as it is predictable concept....

Almost as bad as when Coasters at CP had app ordering yet you had to type in season pass numbers for each order instead of the app being able to pull it up.

Why wouldn't they have that feature available in the app? Were you on park wifi or your cellular service and if on cellular did you ever experience any slowness due to number of people in the park?

Share more on your FL experience with their new system.

I hear you, but again, until people quit buying the product in the quantity it is being bought at, at some level they think they don't have to do anything. In my experience, very few walk away due to the product and not return. Most end up renewing anyway, and if they sit out a season, come August they buy for the next year because the deal is too good. Once there is a dip that they cannot write-off due to weather, then we may see some additional spend. Until then, they are in maintenance mode of keeping their existing base and accounting for some loss, along with some new and will continue to invest less and less until that dip value is found.

And like I said, the Texas parks (AKA Jeff Siebert's parks) are getting the money as that is where the chain sees growth. Doesn't make it right, but the powers that be are complacent with a park like KI and as I have stated many times, as long as people keep buying passes, what is their incentive to improve the product? At the end of the day, complaints and all, people still return every year. Passes are bought every year. Passes are bought and never used year after year. So a park like KI suffers as a result. But people will still buy their pass. I am sure we will see you in the park this year....

It all comes down to money, or lack thereof. And while we may not agree, they see KI as a full-filled, growth limited market and don't believe the gains would exceed the costs. And Orion-XL200 has pointed out many times KI isn't hurting for attendance. That is why Texas is currently seeing the spend - they are deemed a market with a lot of growth potential.

Right, but they need to keep the name to build a following. Switching it up every two years won't gather the following. Who knows if KI changed the food offerings since they didn't have tasting cards lol. Or maybe that is why they didn't so the food could stay the same...

Sis Flags has been on that step for years....as long as people keep buying passes, they will continue to do whatever they want. As an example, will they see a big drop in Prestige renewals for 27, probably not, even though everyone should wait and see if they free upgrade gold....

Aren't Dollywood's festivals the same old, same old, every year? Heck some of Dollywood's shows ran for years. What about Disney and Busch?

Which is ironic since most of the employees are not what one would consider "entry-level" LOL

The park simply (finally) found a legal way to keep it out of enthusiasts hands under the broad umbrella of trade secret.

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