brenthodge

No clue. I keep asking and no one answers. It would be wonderful if you could actually hear ANY of these sound cues while on the ride, and why with the sound of pick axes in the mine can we not have at least some flickering lanterns or SOMETHING to give it a purpose. I feel like this whole refurbishment stopped about a dollar short and a month early.

They can, they just choose not to. And I agree. The lack of “build up” shows there is no one creative in control. On the day of Holiday world announcement I would’ve posted “Good Grief, now we’ve got to cook up something good to keep our camp happy” or something like that to hint at what’s coming, jab the competition, throw people off (is it a restaurant?) and just have fun. No, we got a stock pic of the riffle tower with a lame “guess what it’s going to be” attempt at engagement.

Off the rails actually holds together better without the kid. It was a great idea for the 50th, but once the gag is out, it’s kinda cheesy (plus they already had to cut all the “too short” stuff since the twins shot up to like 6’ since last year) . I’d say tweak it a bit better to still pull in the history, you could still have the “you can do anything” awe shucks crap -without the “oops I wandered into a show” act that really doesn’t work any more. Move it into Festhaus with a slightly modified set, good lighting, better sound, no daylight to fight the LED screen and it could run a few more years. Almost a “signature show” since it is tied to the history and thrills of the park.

RMC unloading SOB2- the parade!

PTE was having a blast today. I almost want to be here tomorrow for the final bow just to see how over the top they take it. I think there was even a dig at Vortex when Maestro said “really go out with a bang” Houdelini said “yeah like Vortex” this cast has really owned these roles this season! EDIT- and there’s banter between the Maestro and the audience. Has any show previously spawned this much “ownership” from kids and the audience?

Wonder where Jesus and the critters go for Winterfest now. Was a hidden gem (at least the vocal talent-the animals were distracting)

AGREE - for Haunt show and Off the Rails - which with a bit of tweaking could basically run "forever" as it really is a show about the history of thrills at the park (ditch the "you can be anything, Kid" angle as its already tired this year) but I'd love to see a dedicated venue for these type of shows that doesn't essentially obsure the entire stage (which has a good basic "set" for any music review type show.) Would even work in Action Zone someplace. This type of show needs dedicated seating less that anything they keep forcing us all to stand for at the bandstand LOL Heck - I'd rather the stunt shows move into FestHaus with some real lighting and a runway down the center of the space (like the ice stage used to be). There's plenty of height and width. You'd need to rework the seating, but that might help it a bit. If they would do additional indoor dining options that would take some of the demand off of that space as just an indoor food hall and a show like that could over power the chaos.

Would be interesting instead of making the whole area "Camp Snoopy" if they stuck with Planet Snoopy but created mini "worlds" within the land. Each with 1-2 rides and a food option that tied back into the theme - For Camp Snoopy with a few rides (1 new 1-2 'rezoned') do a "campfire grilled burger and dog" food location. Then look for ways to rework and theme a few rides around SurfDog to a beach theme with a tropical smoothie and swirl food stand. Moon buggies could become dune buggies, Gliders are 'Surf Gliders' etc. theres already Sally Sea Plane Kite tree should probably just move to camp or retheme to SPACE or something. Sort of how a kid plays "dress up" or imagines a world they are plying in - do the same thing with mini lands each themed to things kids play. This is something that could've been developed over the past several years as things have been added, but they seem to have no real long term planning vision for this area (as in you JUST repainted Flying Ace last year in the same colors - that would've been the perfect time to start this conversion.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT THERE with PR and marketing. MISSED OPPORTUNITY to have some fun with Holiday world and troll them just a bit - Even if when they announced, KI had responded that way - "Good Grief, we better come up with something to get people fired up in our camp when we announce our 2024 project on August 10th" how hard is that?

I guess I should rephrase. It’s less about hype and more about creative hints. Clearly this wasn’t going to be a major add, but over the last few weeks, there shouldn’t been posts and subtle winks that only now that you know what it is hinted at. That to me is creative marketing when you tease people without them even knowing they’re being teased. This was just lazy and shows no imagination.

Sounds like just that area. Would be nice if they could incorporate RFYLCB into it and even bring a food option (like camp fire burgers and dogs) to make a more complete “mini land”

Which leads me to believe that’s on par with this years “add”

Hopefully they are adding a marketing and PR department that can actually build hype for an announcement.

That’s our “teaser campaign?” good grief!

Google Disneyland weekday fireworks.

The problem is for everyone that complains about how minimal it was, there are 1-2 more gushingcc bc about how amazing it was “anyWay” and when they see those, that’s A clear indication to leadership that they can do more with less. *****ing on Facebook groups about how bad things were but never actually serving the feedback to the park leads to the very things people pointlessly complaining about.

Well stated. I think sometimes passion around here clouds the forest and people can’t see the logic through the trees.

There’s at least a sign at the entrance to Adventure Express, so they are addressing it, but that doesn’t bode well since with budget cuts, I can’t see printing a sign just for a few more days.

Do you tell them a time you want it? Do they text you “ready” seems like an odd way to do it when you could just have them pick up at a designated line. I guess this way makes it less “staffed”

Do they fill it from the back or do they have to walk it out to put it in the cubbies.

AHHHH "Enough to keep a little hope alive" Just the EXACT thing every new restaurant hopes for in their online reviews! (I totally agree - so I'm not slamming you at all). That's a pathetic goal to aspire to. Add to that sporadic at best - non existent at worst training of the front line staff on new policies and non-sensical policies, almost non-existent marketing about monthly specials, monthly specials that stay on easily updated digital menus into the next month - but are no longer available, special deserts that you have to wade through the entire service line to get to... again I feel like they are actively WANTING people to leave the park and go to Wendy's (maybe it's an inside arrangement we aren't aware of. I think the Skyline over there still runs their train with 6 cars, so at least THEY haven't cut their budgets LOL)

I was very detailed about food quality and overall value as well as entertainment and experience as driving factors for me (and my family) so hopefully I’ve been a voice in support of keeping live E and event budgets as robust as possible. Honestly after last year and the way this one seemed to be heading, I can’t personally enjoy a slide back to the days of dog shows. But I guess dogscwork for kibble… literally.

Well stated, and I agree the end hasn’t come for cuts. Concerning is the statement about managing down fixed costs as well as variable costs and the “anticipated lift” from halloween and Winterfest activities. If that lift doesn’t come, I’m nervous about next season.

I’m not sure which is worse. A crappy policy, or crappy training. Neither are gonna drive that needed revenue!