BeeastFarmer

Maybe I misunderstand what an "extreme spinner" is. If it has a magnet that controls the spin in a very controlled manner, is it still extreme? Can they allow some cars on the train to not spin? Best of both worlds?

Meals in most parks have always been expensive relative to the outside world. It's part of it. As far as Winterfest, I hope it doesn't evolve into WinterCut.

For the spinner, I see some challenges: 1. Cost. 2. Capacity. 3. GP not wanting to do extreme spinning on a coaster. (I would likely not ride myself because I don't do spinning flats.) I think they would also look at the performance of Cooperhead Strike at Carowinds, even though it is not a spinner. From what I have heard, it did not give a huge attendance boost to this park and if i recall correctly, it was more expensive than Fury 325. If TT2 is a success, I think we will see a Zamperla. If not,, I think we will see a Vekoma. Next would be a BM dive. The question is--do they fill Vortex or tackle Action Zone first? Both are glaring issues with the park. Plus they need to address the water park, the Rivertown Box, eventually Boo Blasters as well as infrastructure and cosmetic issues. By the time they touch all these, it will be time to renovate International Street, redesign the Royal Fountain with pedestals, and replace Diamondback as it reaches the end of its service life!

The number of guests that come from ten hours away is minimal and does not contribute meaningful to the bottom line. I agree with that. But market penetration is local...if there 1000 households in a 3 hour radius and ⁴ have season passes and 3 make a one or two days trip, they want to capture more of the 993 households. If they get 10 of those, and 7 die, they are still ahead. That's the growth cycle. When attendance is down, the bean counters present it to the board and they panic because they see their money disappearing. So they cut the nose off the parks to spite their face. That's what we have seen this year. Again, reality vs theory box.

But you are living in a theoretical box. We have to deal with what the reality is. The truth is that most publicity traded entities focus on building a customer base through addition because of churn. If CF was not focused on growing the business they would do a disservice to the unitholders. If you are not growing, you are dying, and the market penetration is nowhere near complete. This is why they currently focus on the family demographic because the more they reach the more will come and then, the per caps increase in numbers. By the way, Cedar Fair does not issue stock. They issue units. You can multiquote in one post vs. two separate posts.

Do you not understand how quarterly reports work and attendance numbers affect unit price? While I would love to see higher ticket prices and lower attendance for increased profit, that's not how they run their business.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works! (Reference to a car insurance commercial with old women). Had attendance numbers been up after the second quarter, we likely would not have seen budget cuts at all or as severe. The deferred maintenance alone will cost them long term.

This point about family friendly haunt is fairly well established. Corporate wants higher attendance, not less attendance. Lower attendance will look bad on quarterly reports and potentially drive down the unit price...so the board and directors, who have large amounts of units will loose actual and/or potential dollars. They are motivated to drive attendance.

Because it's also billed as a scary event (even though it's more of a family event now with all the littles and then there are the adults who wear onesies) people who show up to enjoy night rides can accept the risk they might get a startle.

Bruh...he owned the place.

Only as long as Mr. Selfie has this huge grin like Gomer Pyle would have when he said "surprise surprise surprise!" Will there be a Coasterstock next year?

So they don't have time to replace letters, but evidently, they have time to remove and repaint the entire prop?

I mean, I love seeing kids having a great time! But this is what replicates the cycle...the comments were overwhelming with "my littles love haunt" and "the actors were so nice and friendly!". So, for me, I just accept that the haunt of the past has disappeared into the mist. Parents...if your kids can handle it, get them in! Scareactors...love on those kids and scare those who want to be scared! Just don't vote for this to be in the top ten poll for scary events. If there were a top ten for kid friendly haunts with monsters, that would be appropriate!

What they advertise and what they do are different things. The event has definitely evolved from 2016 until now ..for many it's much better because it's more inclusive to families. For others, it is a shadow of it's former self. It's no longer edgy and pushing the boundaries.

I think it's more overt than that. While I hold Mr. Kootnz in very high regard, he has stated that he wants Kings Island to be more family friendly. So I think, under his reign, he has changed Haunt as much as his influence will allow for this demographic. I don't like it, but I'm only up there one or two times for haunt. This isn't to say that the scareactors and tech, park services etc dont work hard, they do the best they can given their constrictions. I don't do much with Tricks N Treats, but it does look to be very well done, besides being crowded in Planet Snoopy. But there is no way that we deserve to be ranked #4. That is just targeted advertising from the past that carries over today, much like a tradition.

Kings Island seems to either want to attract, or has attracted a more family focused Haunt. They have cut back on spookiness and Haunt attractions. This is what probably makes them the most money. Knott's seems to have a different target audience.

Might be ADA accessibility issues.

It's 11pm and all is well. I'm wondering why the soccer game under the snake coaster is still there if it's never open?

Invertigo inherited Stinger's train and they alternate years of use.

The only issue with this venue is slip and falls if pavement is wet, and those metal benches would be coooooollllld! (So is the train!)

Because the people will come for haunt, seemingly no matter what they do...and vote in a poll for it! I swear they could do a "pull the trash" contest or a " clean up the fountain goose poop" contest for haunt attractions and people would show up by thousands. Edit: theyve already cleaned the goose poop this year, it will have to be modified into a bleach the goose poop stains out of the fountain contest.

The scariest haunt experience I ever had was back in like 2010. We rode last ride on beast. The train before we got back to station, somebody took my friends backpack from the bin. He tore off to the front entrance. I walked back alone, in very dense fog, with nightmare on elm Street music playing while diamond back sent empty trains. No screams. This was before I got into parks.

Since this is a fake @kingsislandpr account, I've deleted my post.

Did the park fix Don Helbig's tombstone?

She is but a shadow Of her former self. You can't recognize her She is someone else. --Eurythmics, In The Garden. ©1981 Lennox/Stewart