The Interpreter Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Huh? Kings Island is not "moving from a large tourist destination into a(n) internationally known park." Where on earth did you get this idea? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 It IS an internationally known park (if for nothing but The Beast) but it's nothing more than a regional theme park and it will continue to be so into the future. I don't know where the idea it wouldn't came from. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Certainly not from the company's conference calls. There is a Cedar Fair park en route to a major metamorphosis. Carowinds. The company has made that abundantly clear. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I am curious to see the transformation of Carowinds from local spot to national recognition. It's going to take some game-changing attractions to do so. Fury 325 was a start, but it's also easy to argue that it's just a taller version of what we've seen already. In my eyes, Carowinds needs something really special to breakout. Oh, it needs to be FUN too. If they're on the right track, that'll be coming soon. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gforce1994 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I am curious to see the transformation of Carowinds from local spot to national recognition. It's going to take some game-changing attractions to do so. Fury 325 was a start, but it's also easy to argue that it's just a taller version of what we've seen already. In my eyes, Carowinds needs something really special to breakout. Oh, it needs to be FUN too. If they're on the right track, that'll be coming soon. I'm just curious about what made Carowinds stand out more to Cedar Fair in comparison to KD or KI. Any thoughts? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 The Charlotte area is among the fastest growing in the Nation... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 That's right, and therefore CF seems to think it's time for Carowinds to step up and be a top tier park in the company, like CP, KI, CW, KBF, etc. Carowinds had been seen previously as a park that would get a certain amount of attendance and that was it. Now, CF believes that with the right new attractions, it can grow to be something more. It's got a lot of catching up to do to be seen as big as CW, KI, or CP but there's no reason it won't get there. I wonder if with CF's lack of current financial woes though, if they'll be investing more in their parks all around. They're not struggling like they were 5 years ago. Obviously they won't invest just to invest, but this is definitely not the Kinzel era anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Look at debt levels. If the cost of debt rises (interest rates rise), Cedar Fair can very quickly see itself in dire trouble. See also Six Flags. What was it I heard about the Fed? And FUN saying it was going to moderate capex? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Job 2005 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 What is the email address I should send an email to in order to contact the park? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 No email address, but here's a form you can fill out: https://www.visitkingsisland.com/contact-us I used it earlier this season to complain about the app's battery use and got a response so it is read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swim33 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 New to the forum but I love Kings Island and was there yesterday. I rode The Beast in the pouring rain and I enjoy The Beast but I would not consider it my favorite but I must say it was the best roller coaster ride I have ever been on in my entire life. I have been to KI, Kings Dominion, Cedar Point, Holiday world and like those coaster but man, nothing comes close to that experience. It was just once in a lifetime experience. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Welcome to KIC! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Welcome to KIC swim33! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gad198 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Just wanted to give some love to the Diamondback crew working yesterday. We had to wait through the last two switchbacks in the upper portion of the queue and only waited 15 minutes. In the 10 dispatches I timed there was a stretch of five straight under 95 second dispatches. The only slow dispatches were not their fault (2 guests of exceptional size and 1 person who tried to take off their flip flops shortly after the train dispatched). They were easily the best crew I've seen there in weeks and it was a fun reminder as to how fast that line can move. Great work! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtk1378 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Found this editorial on Huffington Post about people with disabilities at Kings Island. Maybe someone should have this guy go to one of the charity events geared directly towards people with disabilities. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-lipp/lesson-in-accessibility-a_b_7972334.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 You cannot please everyone. I'm glad he did some research before coming but that's a situation where I would have called. Obviously it's hard to tell until the person is in front of you whether or not they can ride before they're at the park, so I empathize with the writer and the park there. But, to say that Six Flags uses manufacturers that have "better" policies is silly. They have a TON of B&M coasters for one, and two I'd be concerned that they wouldn't be following the manufacturer guidelines. I hope the writer understands that. Kings Island did not set out to make his day bad, it's just an unfortunate side effect of their emphasis on safety. It sounds like Guest Services could have handled it better by offering a refund but leap-frogging manufacturer's rules should not be on the list because that's a slippery slope they don't want to go down. What if the rider removed their brace, rode Banshee and got off the ride more injured than before? Whose fault would that be? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanna Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm sorry, but I'm going to be honest: if they did what he wished, and said, "Hey- we don't think it's safe for you to ride this ride." I sense there would have been a big argument that his rights were being violated- or something was being violate, he'd have to pull that rabbit out of the hat depending on which way the argument went. On a side note, in the first few paragraphs, he notes that he's been stared at, jeered at, and comments made. Is there something strange about Ohio that we don't jeer and comment on disabilities? Because I've never seen that done around here, or anywhere, from what I recall. I don't know about the staring, but I've definitely been remiss on the jeers and the comments. He seems to have more than half a wish for Kings Island to go under financially. Over not being able to ride one ride. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver2005 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I can sort of semi-relate. My condition isn't visible to anyone, but it feels weird having to explain how it impacted me when those moments arise. At times, I feel a bit behind where I think I should be for my age and how long I've been in school, and sometimes its a struggle to remind myself that people aren't judging me. I tend to overthink social situations quite a bit, but in the end and more often than not, things work out for the better. I'm simply playing life with the cards I've been dealt with. However, I do quite a bit of research about things I can even fathom bothering my health, particularly anything involving food. I wouldn't go to a restaurant and blame the staff about something random I might eat there that happened to bother me. I find it so strange that people don't bother to do research about things when we have the vast knowledge base that is the internet (or heck, a simple phone call in some cases), especially in the case of those with medical conditions. I feel a lot of people either don't know how to use the internet properly, have become too reliant on it, or are just downright lazy about doing basic digging around for information. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gforce1994 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm sorry, but I'm going to be honest: if they did what he wished, and said, "Hey- we don't think it's safe for you to ride this ride." I sense there would have been a big argument that his rights were being violated- or something was being violate, he'd have to pull that rabbit out of the hat depending on which way the argument went. On a side note, in the first few paragraphs, he notes that he's been stared at, jeered at, and comments made. Is there something strange about Ohio that we don't jeer and comment on disabilities? Because I've never seen that done around here, or anywhere, from what I recall. I don't know about the staring, but I've definitely been remiss on the jeers and the comments. He seems to have more than half a wish for Kings Island to go under financially. Over not being able to ride one ride. I love KI, because that's where I escape from the pain of my sickness. I have a "disability", and I know that when businesses can't provide a service due to my conditions, it's just a part of life. I don't however go onto a national newspaper and write a personal vendetta against the company because I couldn't get the full service. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I hope my previous post on this didn't come off as cold but I just had a problem with the tone of the article. I sympathize with the guest with the disability and would never wish they are discriminated from things they are able to do as a result. I feel KI and other parks can be inconsistent with their policies. They can do better. But the tone of the article is a bit ridiculous and pompous. Like they want KI to bend the rules just for them, without seeing why KI would have no interest in doing that. And if KI won't do it, then they deserve to lose business. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldiesmann Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm sorry the guy was disappointed, and it's possible it could have been handled better by the park, but I think his complaints are a bit much. Accusing KI of passing the buck by saying the manufacturer doesn't allow it? Also, it seems the biggest issue here is the difference in chain policies. The Disability & Accessibility Guide for Six Flags Great America (which would be his home park since he's from Chicago) says that guests must remove non-permanent braces, orthotics, etc. prior to riding some rides - including the Giant Drop (an Intamin Giant Drop - similar in some ways to Drop Tower but not the same ride), while CF is following manufacturer recommendations. It's possible that Illinois isn't as strict about such things as Ohio is, but it still doesn't make sense as to why a guest should be allowed to remove something like that if they can't wear it while riding. As others have said, what happens if the guest removes the brace and comes back more injured than before? It is possible that this situation could have been handled better, but you can't just assume each chain/park will have the same policies and then get mad when the policy adversely affects you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyano Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I saw on Ki Fansite that The Bat is down to one train. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldiesmann Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Must be a pretty big issue if they're taking the entire train off the ride. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Hopefully not a truck... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Here's a link to the Facebook post with pictures of it being removed. Apparently it was off the main track yesterday, but is being completely removed today. https://www.facebook.com/KingsIslandFansite/posts/544312659049775 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyano Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I hope they are not scrapping it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterOhio Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Why would they scrap the ride after just putting the money in to retheme the ride a little over a year or two ago? Seems like money wasted to me. If they were going to scrap it, they would've kept the Flight Deck theme to it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 They painted King Cobra.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Job 2005 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Maybe they renamed it The Bat to let everyone know that it, too would eventually be removed from the park. Sinister me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterOhio Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 They only painted King Cobra, They didn't retheme the whole ride.Besides. The season is coming to a close, they're probably getting a head start on maintenance for the ride. That means no more slowing down on The Bat for the rest of the season most likely. And if the park was going to scrap it, they might've posted something by now stating the day of the last ride or something. The ride is still popular, the attendance is low because it's in the back of the park, but If they put a few rides over there, the line would be longer, and it wouldn't seem like a waste of time to ride The Bat which is all the way down a hill, and in a really secluded area of the park. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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