whengodsaysgo Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 15 hours ago, mayaman2 said: You should've asked for a tour while we were still operating! I'm sure it would've changed your perception of the attraction. I once gave a tour which lasted almost 2 hours... the folks were very interested and I had a lot to say! (Though usually my tours only lasted around 45 minutes, so my staff could rotate positions and go on break with minimal interference.) ***singing*** "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone, Pave paradise, and put up a parking lotttt {or flat rides or a new land or a giga or anythiiiiing} (oooh ba ba ba, oooh ba ba ba) " I think I'd have quite liked a tour, myself. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I have a question that maybe some of you more tech savvy people can answer. As we all know, the line to The Bat is ridiculously long. I know at one point, the exit was shared by Son of Beast. My question, is the terrain out there friendly to install maybe a thrill ride or a coaster out that way and utilize that line? Just a thought. Maybe someone has already asked that on another thread and I didn't catch it. Really, that is my only complaint about The Bat is the distance from the beginning of the line to the actual station. I am happy that we have that and not Iron Dragon. The Bat is much more thrilling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I am not an engineer by any means but I am pretty sure you can build a roller coaster on all most any kind of terrain as long as the ground can support it. I think the bigger issue would be developing the pathways. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenageninja Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 30 minutes ago, KIBeast said: I have a question that maybe some of you more tech savvy people can answer. As we all know, the line to The Bat is ridiculously long. I know at one point, the exit was shared by Son of Beast. My question, is the terrain out there friendly to install maybe a thrill ride or a coaster out that way and utilize that line? Just a thought. Maybe someone has already asked that on another thread and I didn't catch it. Really, that is my only complaint about The Bat is the distance from the beginning of the line to the actual station. I am happy that we have that and not Iron Dragon. The Bat is much more thrilling. Just imagine how long that line felt when Son of Beast wasn't there. If you notice, there isn't much space for switchbacks. When the ride was built, the line stretched to the entrance and beyond, so it didn't feel like that long of a walk. I would imagine you could find a way to stick something back there, and there is always the theory that they will reuse the Son of Beast station for something in the future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I never understood the reason behind reusing a station. I mean if your spending $30 million dollars on a new coaster why not just spend the extra $50,000 to throw up a new shed? Just tossing those numbers out there. I mean I can see reusing some stations like The Vortex since that is a little more than than but the Son of Beast station is just a concrete platform a metal roof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 That $50,000 amount seems low for a station. I know you were just throwing out numbers. Most of these stations are a lot more than just a shed. Not to mention there are architects that have to be paid to draw up the construction drawings so that it can be permitted and built by the contractor. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 3 hours ago, CoastersRZ said: That $50,000 amount seems low for a station. I know you were just throwing out numbers. Most of these stations are a lot more than just a shed. Not to mention there are architects that have to be paid to draw up the construction drawings so that it can be permitted and built by the contractor. I always figured it would be in the $100,000 range. It's not much of a structure, but it also requires a speciality to both design and install. This price, of course, is always built into the price of a coaster. So Diamondback wasn't $22MM for the ride. That was an out-the-door price. Disclosure - I'm not sure if Cedar Fair builds in the "other" stuff into the marketed attraction prices such as entry ways, pavers, signage, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Even the $100,000 figure seems low. I believe that Cedar Fair has said they will not be releasing attraction costs anymore. Though they did said that they intend to invest 10% of their revenue into capital projects as part of the Q3 earnings release today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Time for a train expansion, a second station, another water tower and a roundhouse. $100k should do it! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryoj Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 9 hours ago, flightoffear1996 said: I never understood the reason behind reusing a station. I mean if your spending $30 million dollars on a new coaster why not just spend the extra $50,000 to throw up a new shed? Just tossing those numbers out there. I mean I can see reusing some stations like The Vortex since that is a little more than than but the Son of Beast station is just a concrete platform a metal roof. It's probably $50,000 just for engineering, plans, and permits for the building. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Totally agree @fryoj. The 50,000 might get you ready for the building. Then comes the ground flags @gforce1994loves. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I always thought a Dive Coaster could it in that area given their compact layouts and excess amount of land behind Banshee. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Maybe they’ll bring the wild safari and monorail back? It was awfully nice of Jungle Jim to store it for them, since he only got 1 train running as a shuttle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, fyrfyter said: Maybe they’ll bring the wild safari and monorail back? It was awfully nice of Jungle Jim to store it for them, since he only got 1 train running as a shuttle. Housing animals is bad PR unless parks are 100% dedicated. Its hard to house animals and keep them healthy unless you're an accredited organization that can get additional funding and support from outside parties. Even then that won't stop PETA and other animal rights organizations from constantly breathing down the park's back. I'd rather have the park's money and resources invested in rides and attractions instead of on animals. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I thought I heard some years back that the Cincinnati Zoo and Kings Island were exploring the possibility of doing some kind of joint effort? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, flightoffear1996 said: I thought I heard some years back that the Cincinnati Zoo and Kings Island were exploring the possibility of doing some kind of joint effort? Source or link? The Zoo owns land in Mason near Kings Island where they grow organic food their Base Camp Cafe and where they let the Cheetahs run, maybe you were thinking of that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Time to rebuild Son of Beast from a company that can actually make it work right.They should’ve kept all those bolts.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryoj Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 25 minutes ago, fyrfyter said: Time to rebuild Son of Beast from a company that can actually make it work right. They should’ve kept all those bolts.... Could you imagine RMC getting their hands on that thing before they tore it down? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Maybe they can get Arrow Dynamics to expand The Bat, add in the missing 1000 feet of track. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Bratton Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 That'd be awfully hard, as Arrow Dynamics is no longer in business. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoriell Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I would be very interested to know why its just our DA that is closing this year, clearly they have something planned for that area. who knows, maybe the rest will close soon. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Bratton Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I'm assuming because ours was the first installment. I'd look for the rest to close after next season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 You guys are way to literal....Just keeping it real.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 27 minutes ago, fryoj said: Could you imagine RMC getting their hands on that thing before they tore it down? Who's to say RMC did not put in a bid to fix it before it was taken down? 7 minutes ago, fyrfyter said: You guys are way to literal.... Just keeping it real.... Nothing wrong with guessing and speculating! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I am sure that the park solicited an RFP for ideas on what to do with Son of Beast before deciding to tear it down. After all, the park had sunk a lot of money into trying to get it right. Do I miss the ride? Not really. I much prefer Mystic Timbers, though I do wish Mystic Timbers was a little longer than it is. You blink and the ride is over. Dinosaurs Alive probably wasn`t generating a lot of revenue in the last couple of years. I honestly only went through it the day it opened at KI. I wasn`t that impressed. I get it had its place, and I am sure kids loved it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlitfire Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 ^ Not only did kids enjoy DA, I'm fairly sure it attracted a lot of people playing Pokemon Go, too, considering what I've been hearing from time to time on the forums. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whengodsaysgo Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 On 11/2/2017 at 11:59 AM, KIBeast said: I have a question that maybe some of you more tech savvy people can answer. As we all know, the line to The Bat is ridiculously long. I know at one point, the exit was shared by Son of Beast. My question, is the terrain out there friendly to install maybe a thrill ride or a coaster out that way and utilize that line? Just a thought. Maybe someone has already asked that on another thread and I didn't catch it. Really, that is my only complaint about The Bat is the distance from the beginning of the line to the actual station. I am happy that we have that and not Iron Dragon. The Bat is much more thrilling. Or maybe sprinkling the DA Dinosaurs along The Bat's queue? Waste not, want not. EDIT: I realize this isn't possible. DA was an attraction with an extra cost. However, a thoughtful way to spruce up The Bat's queue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 The DA dinos were in rough shape. Birds and squirrels had eaten and pecked holes in many of them.My sons always loved them and the dig site as well, but they are 6 & 2. We went there pretty much every trip this past year.It will be missed, but hopefully KI does something worthwhile back there, especially now with land and an abandoned theater, it’s begging for attention. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryoj Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 hours ago, IndyGuy4KI said: Who's to say RMC did not put in a bid to fix it before it was taken down? Oh I'm not saying there was a scenario where it would have happened. I'm just saying what a ride if they had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDMC01 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 1 hour ago, starlitfire said: ^ Not only did kids enjoy DA, I'm fairly sure it attracted a lot of people playing Pokemon Go, too, considering what I've been hearing from time to time on the forums. This is true, at least for me. The main reason to go back there this year was to look for (and walk my Buddy) Pokemon! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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