Coronavirus Impacting Theme Parks

[chibul]

1 minute ago, coaster sally said:

Some employees at silver dollar city were positive.  The park posted the dates they worked and for people to monitor their symptoms.  Did KI brass even do that?

Nope. And it's negligence. I'll argue that all day long. It's absolutely unacceptable. 

[coaster sally]

4 minutes ago, chibul said:

Nope. And it's negligence. I'll argue that all day long. It's absolutely unacceptable. 

Its easy to promote a new ride......there are good and bad times of being in public relations

[Gabe]

The Indiana State Fair "Lite"event that is slated to run from 7/31-9/6 (rides and food) has been shelved.  The Marion County (Indiana) fair is still slated to open this weekend and run for 11 days, though.

[PilotDude]

6 hours ago, FreedomPenguin said:

Well if you feel the need for security from vaccine go vaccinate, I will simply use my right to not, as I have zero concern about my immunity/health from it. 
 

We all have opinions I will agree to disagree.

And you are no different then the person who hides a zombie bite.  A vaccine is for herd immunity for those who can't get a vaccine for medical reasons.  Let me tell you about my buddy from the preschool I volunteer at, his name is Buddy*. Buddy has had a heart transplant and has since started to reject it. He is on immunity blocking drugs and the common cold could kill him. Buddy has been isolated with his mother as he can't even risk having a family member expose him, which means the last time he hugged his father or sisters was early March.  We don't get vaccines or wear a mask for ourselves, we wear a mask and get vaccinated for Buddy and everyone else like him who want to be safe but can't and are counting on us to help keep them safe.

 

I support your right to not get vaccinated,  but if you choose to not take others health seriously, then please stay home to help keep those of us safe who are trying and doing our part.

[FUN&ONLY!]

In terms of a Kings Island associate testing positive, let’s give the park the benefit of the doubt. The employee could have been a maintenance worker, someone in a White Water Canyon outpost, a higher up worker who works in an office, a park sweep worker, or someone who was just starting and tested positive before even working for the first time. In short, the employee could have had like zero contact with other guests and employees, so it may not be a huge concern. Kings Island also has a ton of safety protocols in place, and maybe they are confident that the situation is under control. If the guy was working closely with other people, the park already probably has those employees getting tested and quarantined. If this guy only had contact with other employees who are now quarantined, and he did not have any contact with guests, Kings Island has no reason to believe any guests are at risk and ask them to check for symptoms. That being said, I do wish the park would at least notify us whether or not the employee had any contact with other associates or guests and inform us what guests might be at risk if at any risk. There is a decent chance this employee was isolated from others to begin with or at least just guests, but it would be nice for the park to let us know to be sure.

[BeeastFarmer]

So, it Is plainly stated that if you choose to partake in visiting KI, you assume the risk of being exposed to the virus.  If you go to the store, you assume the risk, too.  

If this person who tested positive was following protocols, s/he was wearing a mask while on duty, which minimizes exposure to others via the expulsion of mucus or saliva.  By screening employees, KI probably did the public a favor in getting this person isolated.  

If there is a reason to release details to people who may have been exposed to him or her, it will be done.  They have a fine line to walk because they also have to follow privacy mandates in the workplace, and I am sure that the park medical folks were involved, so there is HIPAA compliance too.  It is much more complicated than saying "A male working on  Diamondback coaster tested positive for COVID 19 on 7-5-2020. If you rode this attraction between the hours of 10:00 and 19:00 on 7-5, please get tested."  There are many layers to this cake.

[chibul]

9 minutes ago, BeeastFarmer said:

So, it Is plainly stated that if you choose to partake in visiting KI, you assume the risk of being exposed to the virus.  If you go to the store, you assume the risk, too.  

If this person who tested positive was following protocols, s/he was wearing a mask while on duty, which minimizes exposure to others via the expulsion of mucus or saliva.  By screening employees, KI probably did the public a favor in getting this person isolated.  

If there is a reason to release details to people who may have been exposed to him or her, it will be done.  They have a fine line to walk because they also have to follow privacy mandates in the workplace, and I am sure that the park medical folks were involved, so there is HIPAA compliance too.  It is much more complicated than saying "A male working on  Diamondback coaster tested positive for COVID 19 on 7-5-2020. If you rode this attraction between the hours of 10:00 and 19:00 on 7-5, please get tested."  There are many layers to this cake.

It's really not more complicated than that.

"If you were in XXX area of the park on XXX day, you may have been exposed."

That's it. Nobody needs times narrowed down, etc. Give us SOMETHING. 

[BeeastFarmer]

10 minutes ago, chibul said:

It's really not more complicated than that.

"If you were in XXX area of the park on XXX day, you may have been exposed."

That's it. Nobody needs times narrowed down, etc. Give us SOMETHING. 

Let me know when you are a specialist In corporate compliance and HIPAA law and can make these types of statements effectively, legally, morally and ethically, protecting the interest of all parties involved.

[PatchesC]

6 minutes ago, chibul said:

It's really not more complicated than that.

"If you were in XXX area of the park on XXX day, you may have been exposed."

That's it. Nobody needs times narrowed down, etc. Give us SOMETHING. 

That's where the health department contact tracing kicks in NOT Kings Island. If they determine the exposure warrants giving further details to identify guests it will be announced. 

[IceePirate]

I remember hearing about 4-5 days ago before I left the park that an associate from WWC potentially had covid, from this article, sounds like either they tested positive, or it was someone else. From what I know, the park had all of the associates they came in contact with self quarantine, so practically all of WWC is self quarantining now. I could be mistaken though, so don't take this as fact.

[bjcolglazier]

1 hour ago, PatchesC said:

That's where the health department contact tracing kicks in NOT Kings Island. If they determine the exposure warrants giving further details to identify guests it will be announced. 

Spot on!

[King Ding Dong]

Um.  What contact tracing?  Phone banks are not contact tracing, contact tracing is boots on the ground with badges and subpoenas.  
 

“It’s not going well. I have to tell you, it’s not going well,” Fauci said in an interview with CNBC’s Meg Tirrell

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/26/coronavirus-contact-tracing-is-not-going-well-fauci-says.html

 

 

[DubVLegend]

5 hours ago, disco2000 said:

Well, he can flash his employee ID and tell them to wear it correctly 

And as I seen every day I was there the person puts on the mask and as soon as they walk off it comes back down.

5 hours ago, coaster sally said:

What is the protocol for handling that?

As far as I’ve seen the only protocol is beating a dead horse. If they want to keep these guidelines enforced and the park safe they will need to figure out how to actually enforce these things. I was thinking something that may be possible is anytime someone is caught blatantly not wearing a mask staff request to see their pass and report it to a team. If someone gets three strikes I feel like they need to be asked not to come back until the threat is over. But I honestly don’t see that or any discipline happening at all.

[bjcolglazier]

29 minutes ago, King Ding Dong said:

Um.  What contact tracing?  Phone banks are not contact tracing, contact tracing is boots on the ground with badges and subpoenas.  

Well, that's how the Chinese Communist Party does it anyway.

[disco2000]

13 hours ago, King Ding Dong said:

Um.  What contact tracing?  Phone banks are not contact tracing, contact tracing is boots on the ground with badges and subpoenas.  
 

Let's compare and contrast how Asia is dealing with contact tracing versus USA...

My friend lives in China and has been keeping me up to date and sending photos and links along the way.  So let's compare how China and USA are dealing with contact tracing.

You are required to have an app and submit all your data to this app that is tied to your ID card, where you live, where are you have been, etc.  When you go into any store have to scan this to show them the details.  Use a taxi, scan the code.

In China there is no private data. Hundreds of people have been put into prison because of not accepting the isolation.  The US would never do this.  People claim big brother and what not, but the reality is, if you have a mobile device, you are already being tracked….

They all wear face masks in public.  To go anywhere you need to go thru multiple checkpoints.  Those people with arrows pointed to them are not police, they are temperature takers.

Once you get past those checkpoints, you will come across thermal cameras at individual stores that will alarm if someone has a high body temperature:

They are basically tracked of their every move and scan in every place they go and then their personal data is used to sort individuals into color-coded categories – red, yellow or green – corresponding to their health status and level of risk for COVID-19 based on where they have been.  Some places will only allow you in if you are in the Green category.  I doubt we would ever see that level of tracking here.  But it would make it a lot easier to know who came into contact with someone.

[King Ding Dong]

Just now, bjcolglazier said:

Well, that's how the Chinese Communist Party does it anyway.

So how has our (non)method been working out?   Have any success stories to tell us that have lowered the spread?

[gforce1994]

1 minute ago, King Ding Dong said:

So how has our (non)method been working out?   Have any success stories to tell us that have lowered the spread?

The spread was be mitigated in March through April. Once the stay at home orders were lifted, numbers rose like crazy.

[bjcolglazier]

2 minutes ago, King Ding Dong said:

So how has our (non)method been working out?   Have any success stories to tell us that have lowered the spread?

I'm not on team lock-people-up to stop the spread. I'm just not. I can tell you the daily number of deaths has been plummeting nationwide on a sharp downward line.

[King Ding Dong]

11 minutes ago, bjcolglazier said:

I'm not on team lock-people-up to stop the spread. I'm just not. I can tell you the daily number of deaths has been plummeting nationwide on a sharp downward line.

I wouldn’t call the this a “sharp downward line” over the past three weeks.  Would you?

 

[gforce1994]

15 minutes ago, DubVLegend said:

And as I seen every day I was there the person puts on the mask and as soon as they walk off it comes back down.

As far as I’ve seen the only protocol is beating a dead horse. If they want to keep these guidelines enforced and the park safe they will need to figure out how to actually enforce these things. I was thinking something that may be possible is anytime someone is caught blatantly not wearing a mask staff request to see their pass and report it to a team. If someone gets three strikes I feel like they need to be asked not to come back until the threat is over. But I honestly don’t see that or any discipline happening at all.

The park has been and will be enforcing the policies set forth by their precautions. 
They have:

A reservation time system that allows for a set number of individuals to enter the park at a predetermined time.

They have social distancing on lines and rides.

They have minimized interaction between guest and associate to minimize the chances of spread.

They have set up temperature checks and cleaning procedures.

They have a pre visit medical questionnaire.

They have reduced capacity of dining facilities and arcades.

They have set up markers to set up queue flow in regions of high congestion.

KI has set up a comprehensive strategy to try to operate in light of a devastating pandemic. The park is determined to ensure safe and clean operations.

They have been thorough in reminding guests to keep their masks on. There’s only so many ways one can instill urgency of using said masks before guests will become terrified or agitated. The smartest thing KI did was requiring masks to be worn, as it forced the guests to follow in the footsteps of what associates and executives are doing.

[Benjamin22]

13 minutes ago, bjcolglazier said:

I'm not on team lock-people-up to stop the spread. I'm just not. I can tell you the daily number of deaths has been plummeting nationwide on a sharp downward line.

907 people died from covid yesterday, if 907 people died everyday for the next 6 months thats 160,000 lives lost. That’s not a number to just shrug off.

[bjcolglazier]

The April spike in cases corresponded almost exactly with a spike in deaths. That is NOT happening right now. 

[Hawaiian Coasters 325]

I visited the park as a guest today and was shocked at the number of people I saw not wearing their mask correctly or even not wearing them at all. It was so bad that I wanted to enforce it like an associate, but I wasn't an associate today and I am only 18 years old. 

[bjcolglazier]

1 minute ago, Benjamin22 said:

907 people died from covid yesterday, if 907 people died everyday for the next 6 months thats 160,000 lives lost. That’s not a number to just shrug off.

*Shrugs.*  2.8 million people died in America in 2019. If this keeps up we're going to see a spike in hunger, abuse, heart attacks, blah blah blah. 160,000 meh. Not worth destroying lives of the healthy for.

[bjcolglazier]

This is why Dr. Fauci, the Pediatric Association, etc, want schools OPEN. More kids are going to suffer if schools are closed. They are the experts. Which expert advise do ya'll choose to listen to?

[gforce1994]

8 minutes ago, bjcolglazier said:

The April spike in cases corresponded almost exactly with a spike in deaths. That is NOT happening right now. 

That is due to there’s a delay and deaths and now younger individuals are getting it.

 

8 minutes ago, Hawaiian Coasters 325 said:

I visited the park as a guest today and was shocked at the number of people I saw not wearing their mask correctly or even not wearing them at all. It was so bad that I wanted to enforce it like an associate, but I wasn't an associate today and I am only 18 years old. 

I also attended and saw very few mask removals. The only guests without masks that I saw were promptly dealt with by park employees within 30 seconds. 

[King Ding Dong]

9 minutes ago, bjcolglazier said:

This is why Dr. Fauci, the Pediatric Association, etc, want schools OPEN. More kids are going to suffer if schools are closed. They are the experts. Which expert advise do ya'll choose to listen to?

Also Fauci: The infectious disease expert said it was "a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death," before adding: "There's so many other things that are very dangerous and very bad about this virus.

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-warns-complacency-covid-trump-schools-1516163

Oh, and yes they want the schools open as does every single person in every state.   You fail to mention they want them open safely. Which requires financial resources they do not have.  So....the CDC is going to have its recommendations changed by the administration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/trump-schools-cdc-pence/2020/07/08/8a52d400-c14b-11ea-b4f6-cb39cd8940fb_story.html

 

[SOBwasaSOB]

12 hours ago, FreedomPenguin said:

Well if you feel the need for security from vaccine go vaccinate, I will simply use my right to not, as I have zero concern about my immunity/health from it. 
 

We all have opinions I will agree to disagree.

This is not a matter of opinion though...

[bjcolglazier]

Why are the same people wanting to lock people up "with boots and subpoenas" actually going to Kings Island, and/or even posting on this forum when the park is open. I find that hilarious and 100% oxymoronic.

[FUN&ONLY!]

2 hours ago, IceePirate said:

I remember hearing about 4-5 days ago before I left the park that an associate from WWC potentially had covid, from this article, sounds like either they tested positive, or it was someone else. From what I know, the park had all of the associates they came in contact with self quarantine, so practically all of WWC is self quarantining now. I could be mistaken though, so don't take this as fact.

Hopefully they worked in a White Water Canyon outpost! LOL! That job probably has the least amount of guest contact in the park. It is also a job I would want to have someday for fun because it would be so fun to squirt people with the water and mess with them! LOL!