BoddaH1994 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Based on your experiences over the past few weekends of operation, are you confident in Cedar Fair's ability to run Kings Island? Will it be restored to the old glory of the 70s and 80s? Will we see a thrill ride boom? Will Cedar Fair run the parks as well, or even better than Paramount Parks did? Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Its still rather early to tell one way or the other who is better for Kings Island. Especially since the full season has yet to get underway. I think that we will have a better indication of how Cedar Fair runs things once the full summer season starts up and the park gets Firehawk flying. I like the fact that Cedar Fair has come in and put a major new coaster in the park in the first full season of their control. I also think that it bodes well for us that Dick Kinzel seems to think that we have a wonderful and beautiful park. Hopefully, that means good things to come this season, and in future seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewwill Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Its still rather early to tell one way or the other who is better for Kings Island. Especially since the full season has yet to get underway. I think that we will have a better indication of how Cedar Fair runs things once the full summer season starts up and the park gets Firehawk flying. I like the fact that Cedar Fair has come in and put a major new coaster in the park in the first full season of their control. I also think that it bodes well for us that Dick Kinzel seems to think that we have a wonderful and beautiful park. Hopefully, that means good things to come this season, and in future seasons. It's too soon to really know how well they will do. But if you saw the interview with Dick Kinzel, he stated it usually takes 3-5 years for CF to make the changes to the parks it buys. Don't judge CF by this one year. Be patient and let's see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted May 4, 2007 Author Share Posted May 4, 2007 Its still rather early to tell one way or the other who is better for Kings Island. Especially since the full season has yet to get underway. I think that we will have a better indication of how Cedar Fair runs things once the full summer season starts up and the park gets Firehawk flying. I like the fact that Cedar Fair has come in and put a major new coaster in the park in the first full season of their control. I also think that it bodes well for us that Dick Kinzel seems to think that we have a wonderful and beautiful park. Hopefully, that means good things to come this season, and in future seasons. It's too soon to really know how well they will do. But if you saw the interview with Dick Kinzel, he stated it usually takes 3-5 years for CF to make the changes to the parks it buys. Don't judge CF by this one year. Be patient and let's see what happens. I'm talking more like Paramount over the past decade vs. your current impression of Cedar Fair's influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikewhy Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I like most of the changes and think that things will ultimately be better. The only things that bother me are the mainstream music they started playing on International Street and perhaps Cedar Fair's lack of enthusiasm for dark rides. But I think overall they will do a better job that Paramount! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Well, technically, many may argue that Paramount had a lack of enthusiasm towards dark rides as well. I think others will agree that Phantom Theater was a much better dark ride than what Scooby is. But, on the flipside, Scooby draws in long lines which is something that PT didn`t do its last couple of seasons. (And Paramount did add Scooby rides to many of its parks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coasterfan Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I'm very impressed with how CF runs parks. From the first time I walked into CP I knew something was different. It was extremely clean, including the restrooms. The employees were mostly very friendly and happy and the whole place just seemed to go out of its way to make your visit more fun. Now I'm seeing these same things at KI and I must say, I'm very happy about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Attack! Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I think Cedar Fair is doing a good job, one better than paramount. They seem much more concearned with how their employees look, how clean the park is, and how things are looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kight31Woodmen Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Cedar Fair has already done a better job than Paramount. The park is cleaner, the employees are friendlier, and they have already built a new ride that will have many guests line up.....IN THERE FIRST SEASON! I think the only thing Paramount added there first season was Top Gun, which if I might add is losing my enthusiasm every time I visit the park. I think a ride should be torn down when riders say it's something to do rather than this is a pretty good ride. Anyone agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingMaster Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Ummm.....no. Just because it doesn't go over 100 feet or last longer than two minutes doesn't label it as a "mild roller coaster." And, if I may add, you forgot Face/Off, Drop Zone, Delirium, Flight of Fear, Tomb Raider, Coolangata Racer, and Tasmanian Typhoon as rides that have hordes of people clamoring to their entrances, even long AFTER their first season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikewhy Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I definitely do not think that Top Gun should be removed. These Arrow suspended coasters are getting more and more rare, and I would hate to lose another one. And I enjoy riding it every time I visit the park! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted May 4, 2007 Author Share Posted May 4, 2007 Let's not forget that Top Gun was sign, sealed, and delivered by the Linder administration. Paramount just rethemed it before it ever opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adventure2007 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I could really care less about Top Gun myself. I think the space could be used for a much more appealing ride. The whole area back there looks like a junk pile including the ride itself. Sorry but its just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I would hate to lose Top Gun, yes it's a short ride and you have a mile hike to get back there. I have yet to get a walk on Top Gun ride this year. The line has been anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes every time I've been to the park this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I could really care less about Top Gun myself. I think the space could be used for a much more appealing ride. The whole area back there looks like a junk pile including the ride itself. Sorry but its just my opinion. Its deteriorated pretty badly. They need to clean up the queue, clean up the station, and totally repaint everything. Other than painting over the red in about 1999, nothing on Top Gun has been touched since it opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN1993 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Things have been touched but they are for removing. (Topgun got Que. new speakers last year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I could really care less about Top Gun myself. I think the space could be used for a much more appealing ride. The whole area back there looks like a junk pile including the ride itself. Sorry but its just my opinion. If you could care less, then that means you DO care. Otherwise, you would have said you couldN'T care less. Your Freudian slip is showing! And how anyone could say Top Gun looks like a junk pile in a park that sports Italian Job, I can't possibly imagine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingMaster Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 Hey, at least Top Gun has TREES...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 What, no love for gravel?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingMaster Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 OK.....bonus points for IJ 'cause they own an evil helicopter that enjoys taking pot shots at oncoming guests while riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 I could really care less about Top Gun myself. I think the space could be used for a much more appealing ride. The whole area back there looks like a junk pile including the ride itself. Sorry but its just my opinion. So are you saying in would be easier to TAER TG down, and replace it, than to clear some of the land that KI already owns and build a new ride? And what type of appealing ride could only go where TG is currently located? I am still trying to figure out why some believe addition by subtraction is a good thing. *Excuse me while I beat my head against the wall* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Butcher Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 I for one, love Top Gun, it is one of my favorite rides in the park. Also, by the fact that it has had half hour waits so early in the season is a plus because, as we all know the lines will just get longer during peak operating season. The one thing I deffinately think Top Gun needs is some sprucing up, it is showing quite a bit of age! Also, you will be hard pressed to find much that will go in the area where Top Gun is. You can obviously rule out any form of flat ride, unless you are gonna offer up several thousand dollars to bring in some clean fill! Any other coaster to go back there, any longer than Top Gun would need to be meticulously plotted if it is to follow the terrain at all, the area is just way too slopy. Like Brown Tiggrr said, Addition by subtraction isn't always the best. The bottom line is that if Top Gun operates with full trains (or nearly full) until it closes regardless of wait times, than it has just as much capacity as a new ride would, perhaps more because of its lack of downtime. Although Im sure TG has some downtime *I* have never witnessed it, and it moves many, many more people than IJ and quite possibly Firehawk could ever hope too! If a ride is reaching near its peak ridership and isnt a boon to the operating budget why remove it, unless strapped for space? And, keep in mind it does cost to tear rides down, they don't magically disappear! I hope that TG stays for years to come, but if it must go, than it must. I just hope it doesnt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauntguy Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 No, they just magically disappear from Geauga Lake! HAHAHA!. -Hauntguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropZone99 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Well i just dont like Paramount because they got rid of The Antique Cars for stupid IT:ST. girr... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VortexPKIFreak Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Well, like others have said before my post, it is too early in the season to determine whether Cedar Fair is controlling it better than Paramount did. I personally think Cedar Fair has done good so far. Especially by ading a new ride during their first season of ownership. I'm sure and I know that everyone will love the Firehawk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italianchef Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Since Cedar Fair took over Kings Island, the park seems cleaner. And this season we see more shows. So I'd say that the park is better with Cedar Fair than Paramount Parks. Have a great day! Italian Chef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlfox_21 Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 I could really care less about Top Gun myself. I think the space could be used for a much more appealing ride. The whole area back there looks like a junk pile including the ride itself. Sorry but its just my opinion. If you could care less, then that means you DO care. Otherwise, you would have said you couldN'T care less. Your Freudian slip is showing! And how anyone could say Top Gun looks like a junk pile in a park that sports Italian Job, I can't possibly imagine... "I simply must agree" Top Gun is in my view, going extinct. Not the ride itself, just the type of coaster. I love this ride. I ride it at least once every single time that I visit the park. It just would not be the same trip to Kings Island without it. And it does not look like junk. One view that I personally enjoy is how it corners close to the Son of Beast. If nothing else, it proves just how big the S.O.B. really is. And I have a lot of good memories of riding Top Gun. On the other hand, if someone wants to talk about a roller coaster successfully looking like a junk pile...... .....Then the award goes to......ITALIAN JOB: STUNT TRACK. Congratulations! You look like a junk pile! However, the evil helicopter quote is awesome! As for Cedar Fair, they are doing a much better job in their 1st season than Paramount ever did. The park is cleaner, the associates are friendlier, and the atmosphere just seems more fresh and original. m.f.21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr0y Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 Here is the additions made by each, with some coasters / rides being removed. I did not include Soak City as apart of the comparison. Paramount 1992-2006: Delirium 2003 Drop Tower 1999 Invertigo 1999 The Bat 1993 Xtreme Skyflyer 1995 Flight of Fear 1996 Flying ace aerial Chase 2001 Kite Eating Tree 2006 Linus Launcher 2006 Sally’s sea plane 1998 Surf dog 2006 Woodstock Whitley birds 1998 Back lot stunt coaster 2005 Son of Beast 2000 (removed) Tomb raider 2002 (Removed) Scooby doo and the haunted castle 2003 (removed) Cedar Fair 2006 - Present. Banshee 2014 Cargo loco 2023 Sol spin 2023 Orion 2020 Kings mills antique autos 2019 Wind seeker 2011 Boo blasters on boo hill 2010 Snoopy’s space buggies 2015 Woodstock gliders 2015 Diamondback 2009 Mystic Timbers 2017 Firehawk 2008 (removed) It’s clear that during the 14 years of Paramount Kings Island saw its most additions with 6 coasters and 10 rides although 1 coaster and 2 rides have been removed, this would also mean Paramount invested more money in Kings Island as well, if adjusted to todays prices. The most expensive coaster built by Paramount with adjusted inflation was Son of Beast which would’ve cost a whopping $36,285,000 to build in 2023. Cedar Fair who has operated KI for 17 years has made 12 additions, 5 of them being coasters and 7 being rides. The only ride / coaster removed was Firehawk. The most expensive coaster built by Cedar Fair with adjusted inflation would be Orion which would’ve cost $35,400,00 to be built in 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiian Coasters 325 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 38 minutes ago, Tr0y said: No ride or Coaster has been removed that was installed during the Cedar Fair era. The most expensive coaster built by Cedar Fair with adjusted inflation would be Orion which would’ve cost $35,400,00 to be built in 2023. Firehawk? While Ik it was technically built at Geauga Lake in 2001, it was CF who relocated it and opened it at KI in 07. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDMC01 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 That's interesting that Orion is only slightly more expensive (in today's money, of course) than Son of Beast was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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