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The park is legally required to file blueprints with the City for construction. Nothing was leaked, it’s all public record. If you want to yell at someone, go yell at the politicians who made the Freedom of Information Act or the ones who made the act that made businesses required to file blueprints before construction.

Why would anyone be a part of a deciding thread, then get upset when that is accomplished? Doesnt make sense to me.

I guess I just don't get this mindset. If the information is out there and available, I don't see why you wouldn't want it posted in a thread thats entire purpose is figuring out what kind of ride Kings Island is building. How would this process have been more interesting if we decided to remain blind and just guess the whole time? All I'm saying is that it seems weird to open up a decoding thread but then act as if people did something wrong looking for answers. Don't misunderstand, I see how it could spoil the fun for some people, but I guess my advice would be, don't visit the decoding thread?

The first post of the thread has links. Would it have made it better that the blueprints didn't get found until just before the announcement? Would people taking pictures of the footers been so much better than what we have now? We knew a B&M was coming in August. There was very little chance of it being anything but a giga. We pretty much knew where it was going when they announced Firehawks removal. Without the blueprints, we wouldn't know anything until the announcement. I mean sure we can have 9000 more drawings at people's guessed of where it go after the footers we have now, but I prefer knowing.

This thread has accomplished its mission. Time to move on to the Construction thread.

What is there to be angry about I’m really puzzled as to why people get worked up about this stuff. I resprct everyone on here here but sometimes I leave here scratching my head as to why people get genuinely angered about stuff as insignificant as coaster blueprint a leaking and the design being subpar. In the grand scheme of things there is 1,000,000 things in life more important than rollercoasters. Yes I enjoy them, but to get angered about stuff this insignificant does create a toxic environment. I’ll speak for myself and say that I really enjoyed when the blueprints leaked. It was really exciting and the thread was popping. You can’t look at it from the grass is always greener side.

You guys did this to yourselves by going to the the city records and getting the blueprints way too early. I thought the whole idea to this thread was to decode all the way to the announcement, just like with Banshee and Mystic Timbers. Some of you guys kinda ruined the whole decoding by getting too impatient and wanting to find your Christmas present before it was given to you. You just couldn’t wait for the park to start the teasing. I’m sorry if I’m coming off as a parent, but something needed to be said. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Oh yeah!

I'm sorry you feel that way. When was the last time a coaster of this scale was announced that you didn't have a good idea what it would be? The 'decoding' may be all but done, but the best parts lie ahead! It's not every season a 300' coaster goes up.

I wasn't here back in 2013, but are you telling me that if I go look through the Banshee decoding thread, there wouldn't be blueprints there? I know a layout showed up in the Mystic Timbers thread as well. I think it made perfect sense to go check the blueprints seeing as the whole idea was to figure out what they're building. Mostly I just wish the thread was still more active I'm not really bummed we already know what the ride is. I do think this would all be a lot more interesting if the park was teasing the thing though. Kind of a bummer that we haven't seen any of that yet.

The whole point of this thread was to decode and figure out what the park was getting in 2020. Yeah, we may have figured it out faster than some people would have liked, but I think the mission was accomplished! I think it is cool how so many people were so dedicated and spent quality time going out to get blueprints, making concepts, and taking pictures of track for us to enjoy. Heck, we even had a couple of people with so much passion that they went out and flew planes to get pictures for us. Are people sad that most of it is over now... yeah, but it was fun while it lasted. I, for one do not feel the slightest bit of disappointment, and I enjoyed every minute of the past few months worth of decoding. I think the problem is that people enjoyed decoding this project so much, and they are just sad to see it be over. I completely understand that but like @TheBEASTunchained said way back on page 1, “Here’s to 2020!”

This makes absolutely no sense, as this coaster is definitely under construction. Whether it has been announced officially or not is irrelevant.

What made the past decodings fun was that no one knew who the manufacturers were or what type of coasters we were getting. In the 2014 decoding thread their was emotional debates as to who the manufacturer was between B&M and Intamin, and the type of coaster. For the 2017 decoding it was mostly the manufacturer debate between GCI and RMC, along with the “Bring back Son of Beast” campaigns. No one went out of their way to get blueprints until weeks before the coaster’s announcement date. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The blueprints for Banshee didn’t show up until a few weeks prior to the announcement. You guys got the 2020 blueprints weeks after the land clearing had started. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Who’s ready for some more analysis? And a new model of the coaster with near exact colors? For the track and supports? Not to mention @BSBMX‘s station model!

I think it has been there for a while now. When Firehawk opened, they had all of these white lines painted on the concrete, and maybe those marks you are seeing are the remnants after the paint was removed. I’ll try to find a picture, but good question!

I’m just here for pics of vertical construction lol. .....

RMC Adventure Express.

For those who want to talk about the construction then for the time being talk about it in this thread. It is really not that big of a deal.

Oktoberfest would like to have a word with you.... But yeah Action Zone could definitely use another ride, where ever the next coaster go’s it better not be in Rivertown, currently 3/4 best rides in the park are all in the same section.

Umm, excuse me...we have had a very enterprising young member, @collin.klopfstein, helping us decode track and support color! But maybe it's time for a construction thread or just to rename this one.

Ok so this has all gotten out of hand. All of this started because someone said the thread was inactive yesterday. No one is upset because they saw their Christmas present or whatever. The unpleasant tone this thread 's developing is totally unnecessary.

I'm just confused as to the nature of this thread now that we know what we're getting. The speculation on the name, theming, etc isn't really 'decoding', but more so entirely speculation, especially with the name guessing since even with trademarked names, how many times have CF actually used those names? We didn't ever pin DB, Banshee or Mystic Timbers for the name despite many trademarked names that came out for all 3. I think we should move on to make this a construction thread since that's where were at. You guys keep complaining people being off topic when you keep going back off-topic constantly, even when those topics have their own threads which shows laziness. There's a severe lack of consistency. At the moment people actually put the numbers on the blueprint into the actual layout and showed what it is, this thread served its purpose and became obsolete IMHO.

I don't know about you, but I've never received a Christmas present that was a matter of public record, let alone a multimillion dollar investment destined to thrill millions of people across the nation and beyond. We have had a layout for BGW's 2020 coaster and IOA's 2020 or 2021 for months. It's pretty routine for blueprints to hit the internet well before a coaster is announced, and it has been for some time. There's no use scolding anyone about it. I'm still excited for an official announcement, and betting on a coaster that'll exceed expectations. And as has been said, it's all a matter of perspective, I'm stoked to watch another giga be constructed.

If you don’t want your Christmas presents to be spoiled before Christmas morning, don’t peak.

This sums up people's anger exactly. Its like peaking at your Christmas presents too early.

The blueprints for Mystic Timbers were posted in June on the decoding thread. I remember that vividly. The blueprints for Banshee were not posted until maybe a week before the announcement. But we had the blueprints for MT early as well. There is no reason to argue about what should/shouldn’t have been done. There is no reason to be negative.

KIBlog about Grand Carnivale! It sure seems to be a hit with everyone. https://www.visitkingsisland.com/blog/2019/june/what-guests-are-saying-about-grand-carnivale

No, @THE_BEASTmaster is right. People are to blame for this. Everyone wants to be the one to leak the information which ruins the fun. Its like spoiling Avengers Endgame after seeing it on opening night. People just can't resist. Concepts from Dustin have been awesome but I would have rather it been a suprise. And its not like you can just leave the internet- its everywhere. It was fun when the most we knew was it was a coaster by B&M and that was all.

If no one from here did it, I'm sure someone else would've. Those plans were bound to show up on some YouTube video or r/rollercoasters regardless. I still think there will be more discussion taking place when/if the park ever starts a teaser campaign. We still don't know what the name is for sure, or what the theme is.

Don't get me wrong, I love the separators. I believe they make the line organized, and flow better. However yesterday after waiting for quite a while for Diamondback the separator assigned us to rows 3-4. He asked us if that was ok, which I thought was a little odd considering how busy they were. Then right as our train entered the station he moved us to 7-8, and placed four different people in our previous location. I was like whatever, but the kids were upset after the ride because they wanted to ride towards the front. Has anyone else had this happen to them?

I hope if they do freshen up X-Base's theme that it is not a complete re-theme. I do love the Hangar 18/Area 51 vibe.

Every ghost hunting show ever: "Whoah! Did you guys see that?" *roll backs footage to show something mundane and easily explainable happen* "This place is definitely haunted."

I'm thinking like 4 years maybe. Similar to the time frame between Fury 325 and Copperhead Strike. I'm going back and forth between multiple different coasters that could be next. Imo it depends on the location and what gets removed. If Invertigo/Congo Falls leaves, then a B&M of some type (probably a wing or dive) since it's right at the front gate and B&Ms tend to look good at the front. If Oktoberfest gets an overhaul and/or Viking Fury leaves, then probably a Mack double launch. If the SOB station is reused, then an RMC topper track themed around Outpost 5. So many options out there and imo it depends on where the location is.

I know right? We need teasers!!! Carnivale is over in a week so hopefully there will be something more to talk about before long.

Wow , today was pretty boring

Maybe this will be the start of other parades, and festivals! Maybe a Haunt Parade and Winterfest parade! I’m loving it myself. This was the perfect addition to KI. All you have to do is watch a video and see all the happy, dancing children and their parents! It was spectacular!

@DiamondBanshee The park doesn't have the same amount of character that Kings Island has. If you take out Fury, Intimidator, and afterburn you're not left with a lot- even with Copperhead Strike. If you take out the top three roller coasters at Kings Island you're still left with a killer roster of rides. To put it frankly Carowinds is kind of dull where is Kings Island has more personality. Carowinds doesn't have any type of terrain or heavily wooded area, nor do they really have any nature to speak of. Additionally Kings Island has some awesome family Rides with the antique cars, the Kings Island and Miami Valley Railroad, Etc.

I could see a Giga coaster

That is technically what a decoding thread on a forum is suppose to be about. You know the future and why I mentioned 2025 that would be 5 years and with an investment like this it will most likely be like Diamondback and Banshee. Also I disagree with the “long time” until we get something after the giga if the giga does not boost numbers. You have to also think about how do we keep the 3.5 million people coming back year after year and if they do not build coasters I am sorry but I am sure you would see a decrease in attendance and more people saying let’s go out of town and send our money on another amusement park or just you know vacations. There are plenty of people that get passes and do not take vacations. So like I said if they waited much longer than 5 years that would be very shocking. We are not talking about Kings dominion here. Kings Island is no where near what kings dominion is and honestly after the giga I think it will be better than carowinds.

Yeah i always like when they do that. I think they need to revamp Adventure a little. I love that ride and so does my daughter. Yes!! That area needs some love, as does Octoberfest. Its never to early my friend!

I really enjoy the line splitters usually. You don't have to worry about keeping your group together. But sometimes an employee will give you attitude. Simply requested the front row after he gave us numbers (party of two), and just short-like said, "I said row blah blah blah." Like, dude, if it's that big of a deal you can say, "sorry, we need to keep the lines even." and just be polite about it, or... just let people wait for the front. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we just let people cut us till we get a row we want :p Never done that, cause I'm only that petty in my imagination, but.. I mean.. someone has to get the front eventually, right? I think if you are a group of 2, there's almost never a reason to not let someone request a certain row.

Apparently they are now not allowing pics of the Firehawk site either. Will CSF pics be next? What about legally obtained site plans? Censorship is a slippery slope.

I can't wait for the decoding 2020 thread where we can't discuss anything until the park announces the ride in August.

Don't blame yourself. This issue has been bubbling up here for years. At one point mods were threatening bans for users not capitalizing ride names properly. It was directly attributed to an edict from the park. Theres been a number of other things over the years in a similar vein. This was coming at one point regardless. Theres clearly two sides to this issue(three if you count those who don't care either way). Neither is necessarily right nor is either necessarily wrong. As a customer of KI, I am not beholden to them to keep secrets nor am I stuck to their timetables for information being released. While on their property, I am required to, and do, go by their rules. While off their property, if I'm not breaking the law, theres nothing they can really do about it. I'm a paying customer. They don't pay me. Now there are members of this site who are employees of the park, and they have different rules, and I respect that. As for this site, by using this board, we are expected to abide by their rules if we want to keep using it. They have decided that the park has some level of control over what's posted here. How much control is not known to the public. I've seen glimpses of what they've been told, and by who, both posted publicly and private messages. Personally I feel it's an over-reach, but it's not my board. I, like others, would like more transparency. We've been given some vague guidelines, but no one, not even the mods, seem to know when those will change, or be applied to the more important decoding 2020 thread. If that one turns into a "wait for the park to release it" thread..... turn out the lights. As a point of comparison, the Universal and Disney parks have many boards covering them. They typically fall into two categories. One is where the boards post park press releases word for word, post glowing reviews, and generally stop any negative or "non public" info. Those are the ones where the owners get invited to media events, get comps, passes, hotel rooms, etc. The other is the ones that pretty much let anything go except clearly illegally taken photos. Those don't get recognized by the park nor any of the perks.

Then the park needs to adapt. Technology has permitted the human race to see everything that happens on this planet at any time - instantly. Kings Island does not own what a parcel of land looks like from above. If Kings Island doesn't want drones buzzing about (legally) and doesn't want planes flying overhead taking aerial photography, then they can stifle it by distributing their own, OFFICIAL photography. But the days of building structures outdoors and somehow surprising customers on opening day are gone. Kings Island needs to get with the times.

So in other words, this IS NOT truly an "independent" site. As of now, if Kings Island says jump, you guys say "how high?" That's NOT what the average person here wants. The small bones the park throws to this site is not enough for the type of censorship we see here. It's ridiculous.

The job done for you or everyone? Cuz Phantom is a classic for a lot of people.

Yeah I try to go in to Boo and look for any remnants of Phantom. I think the pics that the eyes moved when you walked past are still there behind whatever is there now. Well it took the cars some time to come back.....I would expect the same for Phantom. We just need the reps from KI who frequent this page to take notice! #PhantomReturns