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http://www.foxbowman...arrest/howmuch/ That is an excellent example of the law concerning alcohol when driving a motor vehicle in Washington, not an example of what the article insinuates as public drunkeness. Also, per Article 1 of the Constitution, public intoxication is not covered under federal law, but rather with each state. And in this case, Wisconsin does not have a law for public intoxication, with the exception of Milwaukee. http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/public-intoxication.htm

That same issue was at BGW years ago when Drachen Fire was SBNO for almost 4 seasons (closed in July 1998 and removed by March 2002). The park decided to not have the ride on the map for the ride's first full SBNO status in 1999. I also don't know what would be the lesser of two evils: is it better to have a ride on the map that is SBNO which gives a sense to guests that it could potentially could operate, or keep it off the map resulting in a clear decision that the ride will not operate.

I wonder when people will figure out that even though animals in the zoo are not in the wild, they are certainly not domesticated and should still be treated, and respected, like a wild animal. \ Now what I find intresting in the article is the normal term "alcohol was involved". How much alcohol? Were the victims legally intoxicated, or just had a few drinks? If the victimes were under the legal limit, how can alcohol play a part? And if they were over the legal limit, why were they not chanrged with public intoxication?

I love Disney movies too. I'm just wondering what Burton's "spin" will be like for this classic. Many of his movies seem to go boom or bust, as he certainly has a different take on many things.

I can't see the park not having HH, unless the park fails to open for 2010. It is extremely popular and would appear to be very profitable, even without the chruch groups.

^ So HH should be made a private event as to not offend the same church groups even though it is a well publicized adult event?

I wonder how those same church groups would feel if they showed up on Pride day given that many churches do not recognize gay marriage & gay rights. A little leg work goes a long way.

You are baffled by people bringing up two of the most heavily themed rides Paramount installed? What is so baffling? Should the lack of themeing for Face/ Off or Drop Zone be discussed? I am baffled that you mention themeing, but then bring up ride placement. And what is the point to your comment that some of the younger KI park patrons are growing and can barely remember the 'tiques? It really makes me belive you are trying to make the point that things that happened 5+ years ago just don't count anymore. And no, if the 'tiques were removed for a ride like Maverick at CP, there would not be negative comments as WWL was removed for a far superior ride. I understand that you must have forgotten, not only were the 'tiques removed, but so were the very popular Flying Eagles. Perhaps the 'tiques could not have been relocated in the park, but the Eagles certainly could have been. Yes, Swan Lake was removed for DB. But it was removed for a world class coaster. Unfortunate decision, but acceptable. Top Gun was not built as Top Gun, but rather Thunder Road. Paramount changed the name after the purchase.

Perhaps not a family atmosphere with HH, but they have with 4th of July events. Let's not forget, HH was not advertised as a family event at night, but it was a family event during the day.

And why do you say that?

Great question standbyme. Please don't take this as an order from most important to least important. 1.) Poor ride choices. I was used to a park that gave us ride like: Beast, Bat/ Vortex, KC, WWC, Flight Commander and Phantom Theatre to a park that gave us enormous let downs like: Days of Thunder, IJ, Tomb Raider, SoB, & SDatHC. Also, the removal of rides, and lack of an adequate replacement for rides like: Antique Cars, Wild Animal Habitat, KCKC, Flying Eagles & PT. 2.) Cleanliness. KI used to look like BGW. When Paramount took over, it wasn't even close. 3.) Themeing. Both ride & park themeing. Paramount's Kings Island was advertised as a theme park. Paramount consistantly let ride themeing go unmaintained. They also destroyed the themed areas KI had like: International Street (which I laugh about when someone complains about the IS music. Paramount had Star Trek music for International Street.), Octoberfest & Rivertown. 4.) Commercialization, which I laugh at constantly when someone brings up how bad CF's ride names are. Congo, Face/ Off, Drop Zone, IJ, Days of Thunder? Those movies were average, at best, and Paramount not only named rides after them, but plastered the park in movie posters. IoA is owned by a movie company, and their self promotion is there, but not "gross" like Paramount was. 5.) General park attitude. From the moment you enter the parking lot, the Paramount "atmosphere" just was not fun like it was under the previous park owners. It was not one specific thing, but a combination of many things like: employees not caring about the park, the food, unattention to detail, lack of a true sit down restaurant, etc. The atmosphere at PKD was even worse. 6.) Boomerang Bay. Another item I laugh at when someone complains about CF's attitude toward cement. And this area was re-themed under Paramount? 7.) Eliminating Winterfest, and then half heartedly bringing it back. If it was too difficult & too expensive to do, so be it. But don't put on a front for a pending sale by bringing back something & do is half-assed. It was really insulting to the memory of what WF was. 8.) Entertainment. The park was owned by an entertainment company. The entertainment was terrible to non-existant under Paramount. Now has CF solved these issues? Absolutely not. But the park is getting back on track, and I really can't see any other company that would have done a better job than CF has done. And some of the issues will never be resolved due to financial restrictions no matter if CF owns the park or not. Now many people have personal feelings when it comes down to a dislike for CF; i.e. removal of Nick for Peanuts, or ride names etc. Funny thing, that is exactly the same decisions Paramount made in 1993.

^ Where does your obsession of me and SoB come from? You really need to move on as you are just making things up from rather simple comments. And my attitude of Paramount comes from knowing KI before Paramount took over. The park was leaps and bounds compared to where it is today. CF has had a limited amount of time, and resources, to bring things back to where they were. But you really can't understand that since you cannot remember KI pre-Paramount. Can you? Go back and read the trip reports of 2009, especially the opening day ones. Many of the comments that were made are very positive to the direction the park is going. I find it laughable that the first thing you bring up negative about CF are ride names. Sure, the ride names suck, but that does not take away from the ride experience in any way. I have never came off a ride and said: "darn! That is one great ride name!" CF took over a failing park in GL and did what they could. Do you honestly think anyone would purposely spend a great sum of money, just to close the park? You obviously have been drinking the kool-aid being spun by people that can't see the big picture.

It is really too bad that more members here do not remember or were not around KI pre-Paramount. CF, or any company for that matter, cannot be expected to fix the issues they inherited in a couple years what took Paramount over a decade to ruin.

^ Or... Ride not suitable for the well-endowed male. Large members can become violently smaller. Welcome to the Crypt. It's a real nut cruncher.

Why? Has the Crypt experience caused injuries of varying degrees?

They could build the tunnel away from the coaster. That design would also come with a hefty price tag, more than any company would want to spend on SoB.

Tunnels on the rosebowl on SoB? That begs the question; can a tunnel structure withstand the constant jackhammering in that section of ride? As far as The Beast goes, the ride is as good as ever. It is just that other rides are more intense now, making it feel that Beast is "tamer" than it used to be.

If you are just intrested in CoasterMania, you can join CoasterBuzz for $25. I was a member of ACE years ago. It wasn't worth the money back then.

I have no vendetta against SoB. as it has not personally done a thing to me. Many rides? SoB has been in existance since 2000. I won't ask for many, how about 2; 2 rides that have had the same reputation as SoB in their first 10 years of existance and still stand today. Comparing broken sternums to, what happened on both TTD and Xcelerator is apples and oranges. Is it an issue on TTD and XC? Yes. But the people invloved did not miss a days work, and the injuries were compared to bee stings, minus the venom. And don't try a media spin on my posts. I have never said what you tried to quote. Thanks.

No. Other rides have had minor mechanical issues, or have caused minor injuries. But no rides has had SO many different issues over 10 years and still stands today.

People did not have to come up with problems for SoB. The ride has been a problem since day one, and I don't mean day one of operation.

There are way too many variables to come up with even a ballpark amount, especially since you have eliminated two of the largest factors.

Yeah, with all that snow, a big yellow spot would not look good....

That suit is awfully small for two people to be in... Not if they are little people. Really? I mean, Really? You mean really?I don't. Sure. Sure you don't.