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You are looking at my comments for only face value. A season pass holder a KI is going to go to the park numerous times during the year, and also have the luxery of going to the park for half days, questionable weather days etc. A family staying at one of the Disney resorts is probably only going to be at DW for a week. And since you can only be in one park at a time and chances are you are only going to go to one of the Disney parks for one full day during your stay- it is rather different than have a KI season pass. The Disney resort guest is limited for that one week. Putting it much more simpler words: Comparing a Disney resort guest and a KI season pass holder is like matching apples and oranges.

There are so many scenarios for this type of experiance it is difficult to break them all down. FastPass at Disney should be the exclusive right for guests staying on the park property. They paid the money, they deserve the luxery. What I don't know, does everyone that enters the park have the right to the FastPass system? Either way though, Disney has the process down pat. You can't go around collecting FastPasses all day. You are limited to one at a time. CP has the VIP club which is fine. It is expensive, so I doubt your average guest will take in the luxery. I believe it is more for guests that are movie stars, sports figures etc. It would be difficult for someone like LeBron James and his guests to enjoy CP as normal guests. CP also has the benefit that if you stay on the park property, you get in early. That is a great benefit, especially since most don't even use it because they are families staying on the point. (Yeah it's tough to wake the kids at 7:30am to get ready to go early into the park). CP's whole FastPass basically was to be in the right place at the right time to get your hand stamped, and you could only get it twice a day. It really never took off. What I did not like was at SFWoA. You could pay an extra (I believe) $10 to walk past everyone. It was bogus. They would sell so many that it was not even worth it. I still waited for X-Flight for over an hour. Now I know this will cause some hard feelings for some, but the Gold Pass that Paramount had to get to the front of the line, as well as the re-ride event was bogus too IMO. Why should season pass holders get the luxery, just because they paid more? Well for the family that can only get to PKI one day per year, it stunk for them, because they had to wait longer. If every park would have the same system as Disney, it would be great. But the cost for that would be large. If you want shorter lines, have a single rider line for the popular rides. Everyone wins there.

My first trip to KI was in 1978, I was 5 at the time. It was then that my dad heard of plans for this huge wooden roller coaster that was to blow away all kinds of records. We came back in '79 and have been hooked ever since. I found KIC through the now disfunct PKIU, back in September 2003.

^Long story short. It was a maintenance nightmare. It was also a prototype. It was around from 1981 to 1983, and it was SBNO more than it was operating. It had brake fins on the bottom of the trains as opposed to on top of the train (like how TG is now). This cause excessive wear & tear. The track was not banked at all. This caused the shocks on the cars to be shot rather quickly. It would be great to see the ride built today, with the modifications. But I probably have a better chance at hitting the lotto.

According to RCDB.com, Arrow made 10 suspended coasters. 7 of them are still operating. The 3 that are not are: The Bat- we all know the story behind it's removal, XLR-8- SF AstroWorld- the park has closed, and a park in Japan that has an "accident" and the ride never reopened. http://www.rcdb.com/ir.htm?order=15&contact=6&page=5 Rides like TG have their place in the park. It may not be thrilling to all. But for some kids, one of their first rollercoaster experiances is TG. It's not intimidating like Vortex or SoB, but it's also not in NickCentral.

I have said this before, and I am going to say it again. Why on Earth does everyone insist on thinking the right thing to do is remove rides!?! There is nothing wrong with TG. There is nothing wrong with Vortex. Chances are these rides will still be around when your kids are tall enough to get on them. While popularity may have an influence on if a ride stays or goes, it is not the final factor. (I.E. Flying Eagles, Antique Cars) Normally a more determining factor is the value of the land it is on as well as maintenance. KC was doomed for a combination of these factors. As was Screamin' Deamon (more land than anything) and KCKC (both land and maintenance). You can even throw in White Water Landing, Mill Run, and the aquarium at CP for the same reasons. The land that TG is on is terrible for people. Who would want to walk there? (Ever been to MarineLand in Canada?) Which is why it was a great place for the coaster to go. Not much else could go there. Everyone always asks/ complains why the walk to the ride is so long. Think about it. You could put a ride like TG anywhere. But it was that specific parcel of land that was chosen. Why? What else are you going to put there? KI has so much land to use. Considering where they have put Firehawk, I believe it is easy to see the direction the footprint of the park is going.

http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9190

I would hope that is not the case. There is at least one individual that definitely does not seem to have that frame of mind- Dick Kinzel. After hearing he was at the park, picking up small pieces of trash & conversing with the guests; I take that as he is very interested it what is happening at the new CF parks. Attitude starts from the top. EDIT- Does anyone know if Kinzel was at the opening for KD?

^ He is just probably trying to distinguish between the "new" parks to the CF family and the "old" CF parks. ... if he was quoted correctly.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2...ront/259689.txt Intresting timing.

http://www.joplinglobe.com/neosho_newton_m...=secondarystory

http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/arc...ably-wrong.aspx

LOL! KICentral has now turned into Comedy Central!

^ This should answer your question. http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/901%3A9-1 Pay specific attention to 901:9-1-03 Prohibitions (F) & 901:9-1-12.

Vortex is not closing. This has been a rumor for about 20 years now.

... and another rumor smashed http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-dorney...0,4195513.story

The rumors can now be put to rest: http://www.variety.com/article/vr111796365...yid=14&cs=1

Sure, Firehawk will have long lines this year. Probably next year as well. Every new ride has long lines. SoB had long lines it's first year, until people learned about the ride. I also remember FoF which had extremely long lines it's first two years. KC and some terribly long lines it's first couple years, mainly due to the loading/ unloading. And, of course, The Beast which had lines to the Eiffel Tower it's first couple years. With Firehawk though the loading/ unloading process will initially be time comsuming; at least until both the guests & the operators learn the "tricks of the trade" so to speak. At GL, when the park was busy, the lines were long and slow. Both because it was a SF park, and because the operators never had the experiance of consecutive busy days. I'm sure at KI it will be different after some time. It seems that CF puts emphasis on load times, and the employees at KI may care about the park a little more than some at GL.

That is exactly what happened on MF some years ago. A guest was ejected on Superman at SFNE. Intamin made the suggestion that the seatbelts needed to be shortened. So that is exactly what CP did. This has caused the "guest is too big" issue at CP on MF as well as TTD. Now what would have happened if CP did not follow what Intamin told them to do, and a guest was then injured?

CP is not innocent either. Everytime I walk by those "Guess your weight/ age/ birthday" it is the same thing. Calling out people walking on the midway, trying to embaress a person in a large group etc. It is rather annoying. But I understand that is what management wants, so the employee is put into a position to do what they are told. I won't even sit down and eat near one of these "games". It is just not relaxing.

I believe that we have to only guess that eventually CF is going to rename/ retheme all of Paramount's "movie" rides at a later date. CF may be holding off repairing/ fixing the themeing until a final decision is made.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_headl...-name_page.html This would be a great concept for a park like Universal. The themeing would just be mind blowing. I just hope that it is not called 'Potterland'. That would be horrible!

OK, I'll bite. Why wouldn't F-15's fly over a Navy carrier?

Opening day is difficult at any park, aside from new ownership. Take a look back at some threads for opening day 2006 and you will see much of the same problems. Anybody who expects any park to be hitting on all cylinders is looking for perfection. The park can prepare for months in advance of opening day, but unless they are going to run the rides in "AUTO" mode for a few days prior to opening day there are going to be glitches.

I cannot imagine that the cost of insurance would be that drastically affected just because one park's height standards are different than another's. The difference to save a few bucks for having a higher height standard would have to be in the tens of thousands to actually make a difference on the books. Also, most (if not all) of the height restrictions have been handed down from the ride manufacturor themselves. And just for conversation sake: Even if CF's decisions for higher standards for height restrictions were being driven by the cost of insurance, their safety record is one of the best. Who in their right mind would argue that record? I have never heard of a park, employer, airline, etc. as being too safe just to save money on insurance. Just some info: Inverted coasters: Raptor, Alpengeist, Great Bear, WT, Volcano all have a 54" restriction Arrow loopers: The ones that I looked at are all 48" Arrow suspended: Big Bad Wolf 42", Ninja 42", TG 48", ID 46"- Why there are differences, I have no idea.