SonofBaconator

I often wonder which Cedar Fair park has the worst roi in the chain. Is it the smaller parks like Worlds of Fun or Michigan's Adventure or maybe a larger park like Kings Dominion? Basically what I'm asking is which park would Cedar Fair be willing to part with if they had to sell one off?

Notice how they called it "Camp Cedar" instead of something to like "Kings Campground." I fully believe they chose to name it "Camp Cedar" to get the attention of Cedar Point's clientele. People who have been going to Lighthouse Point at Cedar Point might chose to make the journey to Kings Island because now they accommodate RVs. Also, people who come from states like Kentucky and Indiana might be more inclined to stay a night or two; especially if they have a trailer. That's better than waking up at the crack of dawn to get the whole park in one day then leaving at night. If I know RV folk they love to travel so I know they'll travel to Camp Cedar. Destination wise who knows- more people from across the midwest region and the surrounding states might make the trip if they have their campers. States like Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and maybe even Missouri are up for grabs in terms of potential visitors. If I had a dollar for every RV and camper I've seen on I-71 I'd be able to start a small business. KI just opened themselves up to a whole new market so there's a good chance we'll get people from different parts the country.

Maybe not for quantity but arguably KI should be up there quality wise. Firehawk, King Cobra, Vortex, Screaming Demon, and of course SOB all significantly contributed to not only KI's history but also the history of the industry as a whole.

Cedar Point has a total of 17 defunct coasters according to RCDB. https://rcdb.com/4529.htm

I mean it is. All of the scenes haven't changed, they just changed out the Snoopy Doo IP to basic scary characters. The only major changes were the Boocifer projections, the Boocifer animatronic and the skeleton finale. Other than that it didn't really change all that much. I'm sure it saved them a ton of money to make minor changes vs having to start from scratch.

Hey I was only about a mile off with the campground idea!

My two choices are from the Paramount Era: KCKC Phantom Theater

I was preaching this for weeks and now that Cedar Fair will be operating that campground it would increase the need for a shuttle.

Send it to Valleyfair, they need an invert in their lineup.

With exception to CGA and Gilroy Gardens, most of Cedar Fair's parks are 4 hours or more away from one another. KI is still the superior park in the region over HW and KK so CF doesn't necessarily need to buy out the smaller parks. Herschend on the other hand has a stronghold on parks and attractions throughout the south and could really help out KK. They could pose as a threat to CF with their heightened quality which would encourage competition between them and KI.

If I'm being honest I feel like CF would eventually GL Kentucky Kingdom. Its our closest competitor and its not near any other CF park to encourage platinum passes. On the topic of smaller CF parks, I think they stoped investing in the smaller parks to justify the spending on the Paramount parks. Prior to Covid I thought the smaller parks would get some attention coaster wise but I don't know what financial position the company is currently in.

Families tend to make parks more money so it would be a good business decision to tame haunts and limit alcohol sales. Additionally higher prices can be good for a park if they deliver on quality so that families feel like they're getting their money's worth.

Six did that park no favors. That Superman drop ride incident pretty much killed their reputation in Kentucky. Bring in Herschend since they operate the Newport Aquarium in the same state as well as three other amusement parks in the south. Maybe the Fair Board would be more willing to work with a company that's reputable and has a solid track record.

When deducing what could replace Vortex, maybe we should look into the eyes of the general public/non-enthusiasts. What type of attraction would give the park the best possible roi and be a hit with the general public?

Paramount put the Action Theater in a bad location. You wouldn't even know it existed if you weren't a regular park goer. When it was open you'd have to walk to the back corner of the park to ride it. Its for this reason why I don't believe its returned yet. If it was in a location that saw heavy foot traffic I could see the need to bring it back; but it's not.

There's always certain rides that people want at their park: coasters, high thrill flat rides, family flat rides, etc. The rides you don't see a lot of demand for, however, are water rides. You don't see the GP or even enthusiasts say, "we need a new water ride" very often; if at all. Recently we've seen some water rides come to parks across the US like the Snake River Expedition at CP, Mystic River Falls at Silver Dollar City, and even the delayed Aquaman Power Wave at Six Flags Over Texas, but this has been arguably the most we've seen in a long time. So what happened? Have they lost their novelty amongst park guests? Have they become too maintenance heavy? Do they just require too much upkeep? Is the idea of getting soaked in the dry park unappealing? All of these questions can be answered but of course the big one remains.... "Are Water Rides Worth the Investment?"

Now that I'm rereading this, I'm starting to rethink my original statement. I've been on this huge platinum pass obsession for a while and I think a park like SFA would be a nice "supporting park." Much like how I'd want Adventureland to bridge the CF gap between Worlds of Fun and Valleyfair, Six Flags America would be a decent bridge between Dorney Park and Kings Dominion. The SFA property could be to Kings Dominion what Gilroy Gardens is to CGA. Imagine these scenarios: "Hey I live in DC, I can go to my local park but ai can also go to the park near Richmond and the park near Philly on one pass" "Hey I live in Philly but I can go to the park in DC and the park in Virginia on one pass" "Hey I live in Virgina, I can go to park near Richmond, Philly, and DC on one pass" If SFA could be touched up and treated like a small, in-between park it would be nice. Cedar Fair has enough IPs to change the ride names and improve the atmosphere without breaking the bank. Plus I think Six Flags could care less about this park.

Six might want more than just Dorney for a park like Fiesta Texas. Cedar Fair would have to add an additional park to sweeten the deal.

This is a what if scenario just for fun. Imagine Cedar Fair, Herschend, Sea World, and Six Flags got together to discuss trading some of their parks amongst one another. Think of it like trading in a sports league. Who do you got? Be realistic obviously. Example: Cedar Fair trades Michigan's Adventure and Dorney for the Great Escape and Six Flags America. (You get the idea)

The only way I can see us getting a record breaking dive is if it breaks like one record. For example, I doubt we'd get the "world's tallest" or "worlds fastest." Maybe it would be possible to get the "longest" or "most inversions" To break records it would have to: Have a drop taller than 245ft Go faster than 80mph Be longer than 3,625ft Have more than 4 inversions

I know the campground at CP doesn't allow tents. Maybe they're different because they don't have the space to accommodate.

Should? Yes. Will they? Probably not.

Take the Skyride to the train station. It might not be super fast but you won't be tired.

I assume the building is most likely on the chopping block for a flat or something but I always wondered how a small, indoor-outdoor coaster like Mystery Mine would look.

The only scene that isn't shown as much is the actual theater scene where the canon was -today its where the library is on Boo Blasters. This scene also had the audience members in the balcony and the it was always super dark so its hard to see on any video.