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I think it would be awesome if Cedar Fair could purchase an additional crown and give KI a 3rd locomotive so they can operate during haunt and space out the boiler usage. I always kinda hoped Levi would make his way to KI if he didn't stay at WoF, (doubtful). I know having KI acquire a 3rd locomotive would be a longshot since they'd have to install a 3rd locomotive bay but it would be nice to be able to operate 2 locomotives and give the 3rd one a break. My argument is the train to station ratio should be 2:1. We have 2 stations so that ratio should be 3:2. Cedar Point operates 3 locomotives throughout the year (technically 4) and it really seems to help disperse the boiler hours as well as the wear and tear the engines go though- similar to how most coasters have 3 trains. Granted Cedar Point has a much longer track length than us and their two stations are open simultaneously where as Soak City is only open for around 3 months. Maybe I just want to see another train at KI

Compared to Six Flags and Sea World, I'd say Cedar Fair isn't too much in the hole but that's just an assumption

Do you think they'd consider selling off their parks?

This leaves some interesting questions regarding Cedar Fair: Would the chain indeed add new attractions to each of their parks every season or would they go back to mainly investing in their larger parks? Would they turn to cloned rides to lower spending or would they continue to pursue the practice of quality over quantity? Would they ever consider selling any of their smaller parks or closing them? Also some questions regarding the competing chains: Would Six Flags or Sea World Entertainment consider selling some parks? Could we see Six Flags or Sea World Entertainment try to merge chains with each other or other chains? Which of these chains will be in the worst shape when this pandemic is over?

I'm about to argue for the addition of a cloned coaster so please bare with me... Why I KI Should Consider a Sky Rocket II In 2012 Premier Rides would debut their Sky Rocket II model. This coaster would be cloned eight times with some if its clones having different variations like switch stations, two car variants and three car variants. The current maximum capacity for these coasters are around 750 riders per hour which is theoretically lower than Invertigo's capacity; not a 1st choice for a park that sees over 3 million guests a season. So why am I arguing for something that's capacity is less than a Vekoma boomerang? Let me give a few reasons They're extremely compact covering just over 13,000 square ft- to put that into perspective you could fit close to four side by side on the Antique Autos plot (super weird but accurate according to my calculations). Basically you can put one anywhere in the park- next to Flight of Fear, where Skyflyer currently sits, next to Diamondback's transfer track, etc. Installing one would require minimal construction in comparison to the massive projects we've received over the past decade. They're thrilling. This can be said for any launched coaster but I'd imagine the GP would love something like a Sky Rocket II. The slow inline twist at the top looks intimidating even from an enthusiast's standpoint. KI can make it their own. Most of the time the only way you can tell a clone apart is from its name and color scheme. The park has been killing it in the theming department and I think they'd make the ride stand out with a cool name and color scheme. Also, they can made alterations. Premier currently offers a model that has two trains that feature two cars that switch stations allowing for two train operations as well as two cycles. Imagine if they lengthened the ride to accommodate two three car trains to help out with capacity. This is a stretch but they could also turn the non inverting loop into a full loop to add an extra inversion (I don't know how many Gs that would pull though.) This wouldn't be made out to be our next huge investment, but rather a filler coaster. Is this realistic? Not entirely. The park has been trying to add reliable, higher capacity rides for the past decade so getting something like a Sky Rocket II might be a step backwards. I guess my argument is if a park like Busch Gardens Tampa, who pulls in over 4 million people a year, can get one then why couldn't KI? Some will argue that Cedar Fair isn't interested in working with them at the moment but I think they should always consider them an option.

I just learned that RMC is located just under 20 minutes from Silverwood which is crazy. I thought it was much farther away.

Yeah the screen seems super zoomed for me

This KIC on my phone currently

I think Soak City is underutilized during its respective off season. The park could host different events during the months that its not open. They could do the November idea like I mentioned earlier but they could also open themselves up to stuff in early spring before the park opens. The fact that its more detached from the park allows for them to be more independent and flexible when it comes to potentially hosting events.

They hosted the children's Halloween event in Soak City for a few seasons and it seemed to work out just fine

I've had this idea in my head for a while so hear me out. Also this does not apply to the Covid-19, just whenever things get back to normal. Imagine a November fall festival that takes place between Haunt and Winterfest. This event would be located in Soak City so the park could make the transition from Haunt to Winterfest and would be open on Saturdays and Sundays. There would be food stands/trucks, music, Peanuts meet & greets, beer, games, and even college and pro football on various TV screens. The train ride could also be open and would just make a loop from the Soak City station without stopping in Rivertown. Admission for non pass holders would be say $10 dollars for adults and $5 for kids with parking being around $10. Those numbers might be way to low but this is all just for fun. Basically KI would be hosting a festival. It wouldn't be meant to draw in huge crowds but it could help boost yearly attendance and bring in more guests. People camping at the new campground or staying at Great Wolf Lodge might check it out. It might also encourage more people to buy gold passes since they can do something between Halloween and Christmas events. Like I said this is just an idea I had.

My attempt to give the locomotives a more "accurate" look with my limited editing skills

I believe all these attractions feature some of those names though.

In Disney's eyes, they're making money from another park just to use their IP. They're already making good strides with their Avengers campus out in California. I'm sure if that becomes a success Disney will want to duplicate that for Orlando. For now though I think they're happy to collect money from another park where they don't have to do any work.

That might not be entirely true. "Universal Studios had already secured the rights to Marvel for its Orlando theme parks, and Disney CEO Bob Iger at the time acknowledged that Universal retained those rights as long as they continued to pay royalty checks to Marvel. And there's no sign of Universal giving up that golden ticket." https://www.tampabay.com/fun/heres-why-walt-disney-world-will-likely-never-get-a-marvel-theme-park-20190614/#:~:text=Universal Studios had already secured,giving up that golden ticket.

I don't see why they would... Both companies are in competing markets. So it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to work together in any capacity

A dinosaurs ride I believe. Voyage to the Iron Reef had since been replaced by Bear-y Tales which is an old Knott's IP. I figure they have to keep things fresh and update them when people get bored since they have to compete with higher budget parks like Disney and Universal.

I can't imagine Boo Blasters cost a large amount of money when it debuted. If anything I assume it was the least expensive renovation since all they needed to do was remove the Scooby Doo theming replace the ghosts and the audio to something simple. I'd love to see it updated but I don't know if its an immediate priority at this point. If anything I think they'd have Triotech screen the whole ride experience like what they did for Knott's.

I'm glad this is being discussed I have a question that can be discussed or not. Why is the minimum age requirement 13 instead of say 15 or 16? No disrespect to the younger members on here but that's something that I was always kinda confused about.

Zadra cost Energylandia $16,404,915.90 which is pretty darn affordable for the ride it puts out. I daresay if KI payed RMC that same amount for something similar to Zadra, they'd be able to get more out of it since Zadra's cost probably had shipping and all that extra contracting factored in. I hope the CF not having a good relationship with RMC thing is just a rumor because I'd kill for something like Zadra. I'm wondering if KI would never opt for something like that though because GP would immediately think its like Son if Beast

There have been a handful of individuals who think KI should get an Intamin. Not trying to sound rude to those who want one but I'd like to see them intellectually and logically explain why Cedar Fair would buy from Intamin again taking into account the broken relationship they have with them, the reliability issues, and the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on repairs and maintenance.

I have an honest question- why hasn't there ever been a Marcie costume? Its not like its just a KI thing, there isn't a Marcie costume for any of the Cedar Fair parks to my knowledge. Its not like she isn't popular since she's appeared in almost every Peanuts special that's come out. Heck we even got to see Pigpen for the Peanuts Celebration.

Low capacity would be fine if it was placed in Planet Snoopy. I always thought the park should get rid of the stage and the barnyard and replace them with either a small GG woodie or a wild mouse.

Agreed. I'd say the distance between parks has to be a minimum of 4 hours away. KI and CP, Carowinds and KD, Worlds of Fun and Valley Fair, CGA and Knotts are all a significant distance away from one another with the shortest distance being 4 hours between KI and CP. Instead of Holiday World, Cedar Fair would probably want Six Flags Great America. Instead of Kentucky Kingdom Cedar Fair would probably want Dollywood. Not that they'd ever have a shot at acquiring either park but the point is that they don't really overlap. Holiday World and Kentucky Kingdom are both in overlapping markets.

I think he meant its an original concept