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To the right of The Racers entrance in between there and Subway.

Between Backlot and Dodgems

It will be interesting to hear if any involved were actually staying at Camp Cedar and if not, were they at KI earlier and mingled over.

Its like an automobile - purchased a 1969 model in 1968

A refund on a package is different than season passes - or did you have passes they refunded too?

Hmm and wasn't SEAS the best performer last year based on stock valuation?

In a bankruptcy proceeding, season pass holders would legally be the last ones to get any money back as all others owed money get first dibs at the money. I still believe CF and the majority of season pass holders came out better than wholesale refunds. Purchasing something not valid until the next year always carries an inherent risk. As we saw with the season pass offering this past fall, people purchased in record numbers, so obviously enough people have trust in that that park would open this year and if not then they trusted CF would make them whole. Those demanding a refund are in the minority. If they were the majority, then they wouldn't have taken advantage of the fall sale and would have waited until now when the park opened...

Reading a lot of the posts, it seems people are probably having nightmares about the park based on their experiences in the park (not sure if LOL or sad emoji is correct, probably both). But regarding this original thread about a campground. Given the issues they have had at the high price Camp Cedar, I don't know why they would want to take on an economical campground...

The problem is that this would be like the classic bank run situation like what was prominent in "It's a Wonderful Life". Your money in a bank isn't just sitting there - it is used to give people loans, invest, that sort of thing. And if everyone tries to cash out their account at the same time, a bank will default as that cash isn't there for every account. Bank runs usually start when depositors worry the bank might fail. Depositors rush to withdraw money before the bank shuts down; the bank exhausts its cash reserves; and the bank then liquidates assets and calls in loans to find more money. If the bank can't sell enough assets to cover the withdrawals, it may have to close. Banks that do cover the run often end up financially crippled from selling assets cheap to raise money. CF had already allocated and spent the money and likely wouldn't have had the cash reserve to give back a lot of refunds. And we can just look at the stock market how it can go up or down just based on one tweet, so I am sure CF predicted that a large percentage of people would have requested a refund and that would have put them in even more financial dire straights. Like the stock market, people get emotional and make rash decisions that may or may not be in their best interest. I know a lot of us in March and April 2020 didn't think the parks would re-open that year. And yet they did and we got an extra year out of our pass. Then you would have all the people complaining they got a refund at their October 2019 price in March 2020 and now have to pay July 2020 prices to buy a pass again because they want to go to the park but assumed in March that the park wouldn't open and wanted their money back. Offering the next year free was their mechanism to weather the storm so that they could stand half a chance of not going bankrupt. I know people that got refunds despite the no refund policy. If someone could make a great case why they requested the refund it happened. Of course they are not going to advertise that. Probably most of the people wishing they could have got a refund ended up going to the park in 20 and 21. The few that didn't could then make the case for a refund. Hindset is always 20/20, and I bet looking back on it, they think they made the best decision in offering the next year free based on how well the parks have performed since. I think we would be looking at a seriously different park had they offered refunds in March 2020 - I think too many people would have asked for the refund concerned that the park would either not open or would go bankrupt.

Worse is relative. If there is no damage to any structure or train and they are able to pinpoint the cause and mitigate it, it could be up and running faster.

I assure you the Queue Times estimate for Diamondback at 80min is no where near accurate. I think the app and QT is pulling the most recent hourly time from yesterday and it happen to capture Orion after it just re-opened.

Keep in mind the park is closed today due to a private event, so there is no guarantee that Queue Times will even be operational today.

Seemed like everything went down at some point today.

It was almost to under Racer when I went by.

You got lucky lol. Almost every operating ride is full queue right now. Flight of Fear is 3.5 hours and FL is well out the queue.

I wonder if these folks took advantage of the free year? And the article says they were seeking a pro-rated refund not a full refund.

Well there are six now after Boddah took one Disclaimer - please nobody get any ideas and actually take one. That is how we see all the small touches stop.

Well Congo used to be on FL with the FL entrance further down next to Drop Tower, but that was removed July 2018 and it was taken off FL. So if it is still on FL or has been added back, where is the FL entrance now? Here is the old FL sign that used to be on Congo entrance pointing to the FL entrance across from Drop Tower: You can kind of make out the FL sign down in between the bushes on the left across from Drop Zone in this walkthru video someone did: It used to be in the concrete cutaway where the lady in purple with the stroller is and the FL entrance sign was on the post behind her: And a picture from 2020 with the FL sign gone from Congo entrance.

Well they are touchscreens, so they turned them off Covid year so people were not touching them and then having to be cleaned on a schedule like everything else. Yeah, but the new cans look nicer LOL. You don't see the trash and it doesn't blow out like was happening with other cans this weekend around the park.

WOW. I said it earlier in this thread that a Drop ride put into operation for the first time in 2021 should have learned from past deaths on a Drop ride and should have had a safety belt latching the OTSR to the seat. That alone would have either not allowed him to ride (similar to our Drop Tower belts being a certain length for a reason) or had he still been able to ride, would have simply had an uncomfortable ride but still would be alive. I am shocked an engineer would design a tilting drop and not provide that safety belt. It shouldn't take an engineer to figure out that if you tilt a seat 45 degrees forward, that you have now created the opportunity for something to slide thru. If it happened on a non-tilting Drop, then it will certainly have an increased chance on a tilting Drop. And who actually changed this sensor - the owner, maintenance, the ride op?

Yet people could see workers doing just that almost every night on Steel Vengeance its first year. You can find posts here and elsewhere where people reported that and being able to see it out their hotel windows or from the campsite within a stone's throw. You have to remember inspection for operating certification is one thing. And then there is ongoing maintenance that doesn't need re-certified by the state. It is not uncommon for a board to be replaced on a woodie overnight, but it doesn't warrant a shutdown and reinspection from the state. Or changing out a wheel. At what point is re-welding considered not routine maintenance and requires a recert?

You gotta be quick around here LOL.

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Maybe it is like a mood ring lol. Need to freeze it to get the whole logo

Was told it is too windy.