KI Guy

I love the idea of perks, but they are really only as free as Holiday World's drinks. Love the gift horse expression. Here's a classic, "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.", (double negatives aside).

I never said get rid of German. I said Irish in Action Zone would be one of few theme choices that would make sense with Banshee, being that Banshees are Celtic folklore. I think that the only way to expand Oktoberfest into a real area is to absorb some of Action Zone or remove Adventure Express if the terrain isn't an issue; some have said it would be. The food selections in the Festhaus are just plain wrong. There should be schnitzel, hot pretzels, cream puffs, potato pancakes, sausages etc. All the other food can go anywhere else. I agree BB1, bring the German back to the German area.

I never fully understood why Action Zone still exists as an area. I would have absorbed Action Zone into Oktoberfest in an ideal situation. I'd say that money is the main reason the area continues to have no theme. I would think that a re-theme into almost anything could have happened pre-Banshee or if Banshee were incorporated into the new theme. Now a possible theme is limited to spooky, Sleepy Hollow, (Tombstone Territory anyone? ), or even Irish. Oktoberfest is kind of landlocked at the moment.

Hmmm, a Thursday eh? I'd say there's a good chance of a 2015 announcement that day as well.

You used to be able to until the end of last year. They ended it well. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4441187

Yeah, that's definitely true to an extent. I think you could never play to it as much. I don't think there's anything wrong with throwing enthusiasts a bone every now and then. It shouldn't ever be a main focus or anything. I know it would mean a lot to many people, yes many of them enthusiasts, if we got them back. Ten years out and we're still talking about our old eagles. They've got staying power. That's for sure.

Could someone with industry knowledge speculate how much more it would cost to move our eagles back and buy them a new set versus buying KI a new set? I think the park would receive a lot more positive buzz if we got our set back; they could really play to nostalgia.

I like "Welcome back riders. How was your ride?" It should be left at that though. Speaking of Welcome back riders there is a fantastic documentary of that name on amusement park history. It covers long gone parks like Euclid Beach and Old Elitch Gardens as well as still thriving parks like Cedar Point and Disneyland. I highly recommend it for those who haven't seen it.<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/SQSawTY3PkU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Mr. Ouimet has spoken about rides that all family members will enjoy together. I think that an antique cars if added, would be outside of the kid's area based of his words. Once you put something in a kid's area it is usually thought of as a kid's ride. If they add 'tiques and flying eagles the interesting trend of undoing Paramount's mistakes continues. Should Back Lot be worried, haha? Could we see some kind of KCKC replacement sometime in the future? I really like the direction the park is going overall.

I think that there is at last a favorable chance that 2015 will be your year PKIVortex! I can see it now, the triumphant return of Shake Rattle and Roll, maybe with a new name and lights, along with (probably new) Flying Eagles, maybe even a classic like a Tilt-a-Whirl or Der Spinning Keggers. Valleyfair, Cedar Point and Knott's have done similar things.

But Cedar Fair added the FD and BLSC belts themselves. I'm not going to argue. All I'm saying is that the belts may or may not always be there. It's happened before. It's up to Cedar Fair.

I see your point and I'm probably overestimating the reaction. However, it would be appropriate to take note of Flight Deck's and Back Lot's belt removal a couple years back.

I see, I see. Once you recommend something removed YOU become responsible. You have to admit though that changing restraints will only give people the idea that the ride was unsafe.

Don't you think that the ride would be no less safe and B&M would look better?EDIT: I had said that you really were only advocating against something that was unnecessary. Terp responded to that in the next post.

I had a thought the other day. Since the seat belts seemed to be a Cedar Fair decision, if B&M recommended that the park run the ride without seat belts under Ohio law the park would have to run the ride without them, right? It probably wouldn't happen and probably wouldn't matter to B&M, but I still thought it was interesting. I do think though if I were B&M, I would be a little perturbed at CF's lack of trust. It's hard to not make B&M look bad in changing their restraints.

Yes, by goodwill I was trying to say guest experience and value, not goodwill as in intangibles on a balance sheet although those certainly matter. That promise was absurd, and I couldn't believe it when many people on here blindly swallowed the hook. I'm skeptical of the whole system, but only time will tell. I just only see this appealing to a VERY small demographic. My season pass was cheaper than a ticket + pay-to-cut. Very few would opt for the later.

Pay-to-cut systems can really tick off paying guests especially those who come once or twice a year. Yes, pay-to-cut was designed to appeal to this demographic, but I think that it is a very small percentage of the total who is willing or able to fork out the additional cash. These type of guests are the spenders, and pretty much all that existed before season passes. The question is "Does the additional revenue from pay-to-cut users override the loss of revenue and goodwill from once or twice yearly visitors?". I think that question has not been answered yet. Am I off-base?

Whoever is responsible, I'm glad for it. I had given up on going this year until I saw the changes. For the foreseeable future I think the waterpark is its lifeblood, if it stays open.

Some serious changes in the schedule today... the waterpark now operates until September 28.

"Congratulations jr. passholder you're now tall enough to experiece many adult rides. That'll be $27 dollars." They should just make it from when you PURCHASE the pass even if purchased the fall before the season. It's a one time issue for said guest. You are fairly likely to get the additional scratch next year and in years to come. In situations where a business must decide on "the customer walking all over you" and good customer service always err on the side of the latter. In rare situations where the pass was renewed online AND unused, I could see the park's point a little since no employee ever saw the child under 48" at purchase.

These look fun!

Deep-fried Twinkies would be available at every food stand. EDIT: Apollo owns the new Hostess. I don't know if anyone got that.

A major reason I thought that it was worth bringing up was that Cedar Fair management is much different now than it was when the Geauga situation went down. In all likelihood, someone in the new management has at least thought about it. I'm well aware that it's close to a pipe dream for it to ever be reopened somewhere, but I think it would be fantastic if it were to happen.

Devarious, what Pyro said makes good sense. He is saying that he is not sure if there is a Big Dipper-shaped space available at Cedar Point. Cedar Point has space like you said, but they just have to be creative with it when adding new attractions.

Geauga Lake's Big Dipper classic wooden roller coaster still stands on a vacant lot. I know that it would make little financial sense, but I'd like to see Cedar Fair purchase the ride and give it a new life at CP, KI or Michigan's Adventure. It would be a very Knoebel-like move, but I'm sure it could be done. It bothers me to hear of one of the world's oldest roller coasters rotting away. I think it works fit in best at CP given its rich history, that is if they can find enough room for it. If KI were to get it I it world be fascinating to have a roller coaster that is over twice as old a the park. I know it probably will never happen, but I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts.