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So I’ve watched videos of both SSBR and Good Gravy! now and I have to say, SSBR looks like a much more intense ride. I thought these would have very similar intensity levels but the custom layout Holiday World ordered looks intentionally designed to be a bit milder. SSBR has quite a bit of whip and kick to it. I think it’ll be a great time! Def enjoy the theming and execution of Good Gravy’s rollout a lot more though haha I’m also just now noticing that the spike on Good Gravy doesn’t have the double up-double down element that we get on SSBR. I am curious if that hump will give a decent little pop of air since it makes it up the spike quite further than I was expecting.

For 600 some odd feet of track, it looks like a bigger ride. (Yes, I know this is all boomerangs)

From what I've heard online, it seems the issues with Steel Curtain stem from the support structure not being adequate enough. I cannot confirm this though, as I am not a ride engineer.

This reminds me of Hypersonic XLC's tenure at KD when it comes to something familiar from S&S.

The one thing I've never really understood was what problems does this coaster actually have....like they keep saying it's a prototype, but beyond that, what about it is causing downtime?

Steel Curtain seems to be a money pit, no matter how much work they put into it, it just doesn't seem to fix it.

In the same vein that I ask 'how does Intamin screw up a log flume?', how does S&S screw up a sit down looper with a chain lift?

Oh boy https://www.wtae.com/article/kennywood-steel-curtain-closed/60526570

^It makes it up the spike pretty high for being loaded only with water dummies.

Snoopy's Soapbox Racers has started testing! Imo I think it is very likely we may see this thing open around the time of the ACE Spring Conference in May! Maybe the weekend before? Hoping that is the case!

Why didn't you add 365 days in front of it then?

Current wait time for Orion: 47 hours, and 55 minutes lol Also the red headline says 2023 not 2024

Planning complete:

Please use this thread to update wait times for the 2024 season! Please remember a ride going down is normal and it's okay to report, but please don't post "Riders are stuck on the lift hill of DB." A vague statement like that is not helpful and that is when the media starts calling the park. We hope you are excited to get the 2024 season started. This season we celebrate 4 different anniversary seasons. 10th for Banshee 15th for Diamondback 25th for Invertigo 45th for The Beast With the addition of Camp Snoopy and a new Vekoma roller coaster to ride later this Spring, it is sure to be a great season! The KIC Admin looks forward to seeing everyone at the park this season.

I think a troll would be someone with no skin in the game. You have said that you no longer have passes and your main park was CP, correct? And that you no longer frequent the parks? So you've moved on? When most people have moved in to other things, they don't stay on forums and argue with the majority of posters ad nauseum. This is the only internet specific forum site I'm on, and while you may stick around to ruffle feathers, I'm debating on putting you on "ignore" status or watching what you post for some humor.

I'm probably one of the few that misses it. I will say that I am grateful for Orion and in terms of re-rideability and enjoyment, Orion is definitely the winner here. But that doesn't negate the fact that I do miss Firehawk. It was something different compared to the rest of the coaster line-up and with there not being a ton of flying coasters out there in general/especially Vekoma Flying Dutchmen, it was unique in that regard. Not to mention it being a GL transplant, it had some history behind it. Sad that it couldn't be relocated, but understandable. Maybe some day we will see a new Vekoma flying coaster stateside.

@IndyGuy4KI are you planning on making a ride wait times thread for this season like you usually do?

My mistake, I should have realized you're an insufferable troll to a lot of people around here, my mistake for not abiding by my initial impulse to ignore your "contributions" to the discussion. I'll do better in the future.

I have 3 or 4 family members buried in this cemetery. My great-aunt was even asked, quite some years ago, for permission to move the graves. I'm guessing she declined. We moved away from there in the 80's but I'll be back in September and am going to go see it.

Taken on 10/28/23.

I wish we could get some of our originals back from WOF. I believe paramount sold ours to WOF.

https://www.facebook.com/share/SihqAtnqQN5UMJDt/?mibextid=WC7FNe Worlds of Fun is getting Gould Manufacturing antique car models (same ones KI has) to replace some of their original models.

They would probably give us the dilapidated version But with a dance floor, they could provide an upcharge dance event!

I think it would be great idea if they made a smaller Moonlight Gardens replica for an indoor VIP area . . without the dance floor . This could pay a little homage to Coney Island in the process. I think I remember reading the wrought iron was stored at Kings Island once. So maybe they thought about doing this at one time??

Looks like a classic case of paranoia or egotism (or both) thinking everyone is talking about you.... Actually I wasn't referring to you as you haven't given off ADA attorney wannabe vibes with posts demonstrating misinterpretations of basic HIPAA laws, so who should be paying rent now.... Your Ad hominem nonsense is insufferable...do better....Sad.....