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The park has said, again and again, that it will be used for a haunt for the foreseeable future.

I thought it's Fatale has already been decided? My guess would be, until there is a need for the land on which it sit's for another project, it will remain status quo.

In some peoples opinion Kings Islands most wasted space sat in Action Zone un-used for 3 years........

The fate of the Crypt building is quickly becoming one one the most beat to death topics at KIC behind: SoB anything, Vortex sinking, SoB anything, FD being removed, SoB anything, and The Beast trims.

It was announced a good 20 times by Don right here on KIC.

At least it makes a great visual scale enhancer for Diamondback's first drop!

They most certainly played a major role in this and also footed the bill for a large portion of it. Recent WDW "refurbishments" have seen the projects value engineered to death (please see Space Mountain), however Test Track went the opposite direction. This was not a cheap re-do. Quite honestly, I was very surprised when I rode Test Track last night for the first time. I purposely avoided watching videos so I would be surprised and boy was I. Gone is the tacky and loud queue with the annoying sound track, crashing sounds, etc. It's now very sleek and modern, it's beautiful really. The design aspect was something that didn't appeal to me at first, but it is actually kinda cool and it is neat to see your design sync up to the ride itself as you experience the attraction. Also gone are the three pre-show rooms and the god awful bottle neck in the queue when they dumped out. Such an improvement. Instead the 3 design rooms are now at ground level and dump out onto the ramp that the former stand by line utilized as it lead up to the old pre-show loading. Fast Pass skips the design studios but has a small modified section near the end of its queue where people have a few minutes to design a car. Single Rider skips the design phase all together. As far as the ride itself, it is visually stunning now on the inside. In some places theme elements and screens extend from floor to ceiling. The way that it is lit and the placement of all the new elements give it a more intimate feeling on the inside, as opposed to the old Test Track where you could clearly see the wasted space left over in the building from World of Motion. The testing chambers, I'll admit, I missed what two of them even were. The former "cold room" is now the aerodynamics testing room. It utilizes the same mirror trick used in Radiator Springs Racers (which was an amazing attraction, btw) where you see an air current appear to flow over the shape of your car as it moves through the chamber. I think the biggest piece for me, as others have mentioned, is that this new theme better aligns with what EPCOT truly is. I couldn't be happier with how this project turned out and I'm happy to have Track open again...EPCOT has certainly been quiet the past 7 months with out it - Todd

I am apologize for not already knowing about the building, somewhere when it was announced I was probably too busy with other things to notice..

I could have answered that one with a video, but I decided to play by the rules. EDIT: You're supposed to give one easy and one hard. Both of those would qualify as "hard", methinks.

Easy: Drop Tower Hard: FOF during launch

My head hurts. I thought Original had the floor. jcgoble3 was only trying to give ideas to those whose turn it was, not laying down 67 or whatever challenges all at once.

I'd rather have a bad layout then no layout.

Things to remember, keep photos current and your own. (and no KIExtreme photos!) Hard: Beast Mine Shaft Easy: Beast Water Mill (Penny Mill) Post both and I give you a point (there's really no points)

Kings Island, main gate: the orchestral sounds that played 1972-1992. I'd even settle for 1993-2006.

The amount of land the white water canyon takes up

Neither pony rides nor a shooting gallery would be installed without comment from certain sectors of today's population.

I realize the fate of the building isn't about to change, but I keep daydreaming of a renovation where the building is shrouded in evergreen trees. The theme would shift from Tomb Raider (which, really, was all The Crypt's "theme" was, anyway) to some sort of "spirit of the woods" theme (a la Verbolten, only less Germany and more Ohio.) The queue would be modified to resemble walking deeper and deeper into the woods, and the preshow chamber would instead have what appears to be a wolf statue atop some rockwork in the center of the room (with the rest of the room changed to a "heart of the forest" theme, with faux sunlight shining into the room before and after the preshow.) Via a projection system (much like the one used at the front gate at Haunt a season or two ago), the wolf statue would appear to come to life and tell some foreboding tale about how humans have been a curse on the forest and how the riders may leave in peace or else press on and face the consequences. Not that I've been thinking about it a whole lot or anything, but I bet the Hunger Games score would blend really well with the theme, too. I mean... not that I've thought about it much, but I think an edited form of James Newton Howard's "Healing Katniss" would make a neat queue theme. And they could maybe play "The Hunger Games" in the outdoor queue. And then they could... I dunno, use an edited form of "Rue's Farewell" for the preshow ambiance. And then I guess they could use "Katniss Afoot" for the loading music, and maybe they could use an edited "Muttations" for the ride, which would then contain an encounter with the "spirit of the forest" in the form of a giant wolf carving that comes to life and engages the riders in a battle of the elements. ...Not that I've thought about it or anything. (Old habits die hard, I guess.)

That would be silly. It is not old, is currently serving a valuable purpose, and is not in the way of anything. The fate of this building has already been discussed ad nauseam in many threads, including: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26117-the-crypt-being-demolished/ http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/25815-the-crypt-building/ http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26212-the-crypts-future/ http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/24734-the-crypt-gone-for-2012/

The same thing that Don has been constantly telling us is now being questioned by a KIC member again?

I thought we were supposed to keep photo locations CURRENT...

Easy- Anything baring an American flag or symbol at KI like my picture of snoopy and woodstock here (The american flag on International street doesn't count) Hard-Old Helicopter rdie View of DB from Soak City

Option 1- Paw prints on sign in Scooby Doo Woodstock Express line Option 2 - Potatos in scale by Rivertown Potato Works Edit: Revised list- Hard - Paw prints on sign in Scooby Doo Woodstock Express line Easy - Snoopy Starlight Spectacular area

They're still selling bolts, from what I understand the plaque's been sold. My dad's bolt from Sonny just arrived today

Perhaps he is referring to this (??): http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/test-track-at-epcot-offers-hands-on-design-experience/

Because some people would pay for both the premium "paid" mazes/experiences and the Fright Lane passes. Thus, Cedar Fair would get even more income from these individuals. Sure, enthusiasts and people that post here may complain about such an offering, but if it proves to be a money maker for the company, then why not roll it out across more of their parks. This is my 10,000th post. Hard to believe that I have made that many posts. I haven`t been on much lately as I have been working two jobs (and close to 70 hours a week). Right now I`m on a brief reprieve as I do my civic duty and am on jury duty.

Hey Guys! Just wanted to let you guys know about a cool new thing on Google Earth. If you go to Kings Island and put the little "street view" character on a path in the park, you can act view it like a normal street view image and "walk around" the park. It's pretty neato as the pictures are very high quality and they seem to be quite recently taken. I first noticed this feature with amusement parks when i was looking at Busch Gardens Williamsburg and tried it out. Just today I've looked and seen that Kings Island, Cedar Point, Michigan's Adventure, Dorney Park, California's Wonderland, World's of Fun, and Canada's Wonderland (which were taken during the beginning construction of Leviathan). And thats just the Cedar Fair parks. I think its prettty cool and think you guys should go check it out! Hope ya like it, DBI

Bumping... No offense to the KI & MV Railroad, it's cool, but not really what it could be. It's not technically wasted land, but there's a good number of people who only use the train to get to Soak City. I believe if that if the Old Western theming was spruced up a little bit, the whole experience could be so much better.

The computer equipment is now incredibly obsolete.

I still maintain that is remarkable how much of Flight of Fear`s theming is still there. Yes, there have been some things that have come and gone with its theming over the years, but the ride will be 17 years old this upcoming season.

Paramount Parks had a hard time with keeping up the themed rides.

Is this what we are suggesting the park to play in 2013? If it is what I listen to when I'm in the parks in 2013, then I will tell ya when I get done using my time machine. Great Scott!

Hint for those who don't know the answer to Terpy's question: Not well.

Money. A single attraction at Disney or Universal can cost what Cedar Fair or Six Flags spends on capex for all of their parks for a year. The necessary return on investment isn't there. Mr. Ouimet has made measurable return a priority. Fewer, more spectacular attractions and rides may be the future, but don't expect Tower of Terror level theming and attractions at regional parks. Kings Island had Phantom Theater and Tomb Raider: The Ride, attempts to become the Universal of the Midwest. How'd that work out?

Highly unlikely. 130 days a year vs. 365. Highly variable weather in all but one park vs. glorious weather nearly every day. Deep pockets at Disney vs deep debt at Cedar Fair. And so it goes.

I say just tear it down, it really is a old, crusty place, that is truthfully an eyesore.

Yes, after finally reading all the rules, that is accurate. Unless 'Old Helicopter rdie' means Backlot Stunt Coaster.

Wow, this is a tough one, but I'd have to go with Son of Beast. While Tomb Raider was awesome and breathtaking, I've only ridden it twice in it's original form (I've ridden Son of Beast with the loop a few more times). Also, I'd kind have gotten used to The Crypt's meh cycle enough to be OK with it leaving the park.

I guess I'll just continue with my post to keep things going smoothly for the Terp and the rest..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/original2/7875072794/'> Easy: Eiffel Tower Hard: Grand Carousel at night (my profile picture has that, ha)

Could the Did they start doing this this year at CP or something? (I've never been to Halloweekends.) I really dislike the idea of upcharge haunts... Hope this isn't the new trend. Or are they talking about the fact that Haunt isn't included with the standard pass? Could't the preminum mazes and haunts also refer to Fright Lane?

You can't tell but it's really from Beast, we named him Alpachino. Hard: Adventure Express Station Easy: Shake Rattle Roll, Orange Cars

Easy: Hot Blooded Hard: Park-approved photo inside CarnEVIL.

I'm just letting it be known that I bought the record, I have a working turntable and if there's a demand for it, I am willing to digitize it and upload to YouTube or some other site. Then I can post it to KIC for all to enjoy!

I guess that means this topic is almost dead. The only thing that remains is the station.

this season was fun! Can't wait for next year!

Wow, this is a hard choice...do I choose the giant wooden looping hypercoaster that I never got to ride in any form, or the awesome-looking indoor giant top spin that I rode, but when I did so it was already downgraded into garbage? Hmm...well, Son of Beast started getting bad reviews from the get-go, but that kind of adds to its charm as I'd be interested in seeing just how bad it was...but TR:TR was an epic dark ride experience like none other...ugh, you know what, null vote...I can't choose! (Builds a Time Machine, and sets the date for May 2002...location: Paramount's Kings Island, Ohio...MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOW I CAN RIDE TR:TR AND SOB WITH LOOP AND EVEN FLYING EAGLES!!!) ...ok, not really, but I wish...

Great trip report Brad I really enjoyed seeing the kids in this one. Hope to see you sometime soon.

As we've previously stated, the Crypt building will be used for a new Haunt experience for this year and beyond.

Very true. I'm not really a haunt type person, so I wouldnt mine if it was demolished for a flat ride.