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^ Which is the EXACT reason that companies that deal with people bringing frivoulous lawsuits againts them have insurance companies as well as lawfirms on the payroll. For them to actually lose millions of dollars, first they would have to be found guilty of some type of neglegence and second, it would not be covered by their insurance company. And for a guest to actually take SF to the civil level, that would mean that SF is found responsible for somehow harming the guest, their reputation, or their pocketbook. Now it is going to take money for court fees as well as attorney fees. Sure, you could act as your own council, but then the SF attorney would eat your lunch for you. Bottom line- the most these people could look for is their admission fee since they were not even in the park for an hour. Lawsuits and threats of lawsuits like this are the reason why there needs to be some type of punishment/ fee for those who bring up frivoulous crap up like this. It clogs up the system. Start charging the claimant the attorney fees that the defendant has incurred if found to be frivolous and this garbage will stop.

The park cannot get fined for this. It is private property, not public. SF can make any rules they wany, weather we agree with them or not. And it also would not go to the Attorney General's office either, but rather civil court.

No it was not high maintenance costs. It was the high cost to maintain them for low attendance the park was getting.

Here comes all the "CP is out of land" comments. Next will be "Magnum is sinking" followed by "CP WILL have an AquaTrax". No, CP is not out of land.

And even a sign out front, no matter how big, really is not always noticed by guests. Some guests are just so excited to be at the park, all they want to do is get in and have a good time. This often times makes them oblivious to things around them. I would think that if a park really wanted to enforce it where a guest has absolutely no excuse is to personally hand the guest a notice of the enforced rules either at the toll booths for parking or while entering the park. Sure it may cost extra to staff, but from a PR standpoint I would think that it is worth the money.

Does the punishment fit the crime? Beginning of the day, haven't been on a ride yet, and they were already tossed from the park. It is nice to see that a park is enforcing the rules, but tossing out a family for a minor infraction seems a bit extreme. Smoking in the queue lines is one thing, smoking on the midway is something else.

As much as I like water rides, I really cannot see a seasonal park spending the kind of money that would warrent a ride like Jurassic Park. The season is already short enough, now combine that with an even shorter season for a water ride that many people are not willing to enjoy until it gets jiffy-pop hot outside. It becomes a rather expensive part-time ride. A dark ride that everyone can enjoy at anytime of the year anytime of the day is a better solution.

Huh? Isn't that what I said? How do we know they were taken at KI?

^ http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10943 http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9790

How do we know those pics were taken at KI? I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist here, but, if I had the trains in my backyard, I could take the same type of pics and say that the cars are at KI. Can any of the numerous employees that frequent this bored confirm seeing the cars at the park w/o getting themselves into trouble?

When has CF ever showed that they did not want CP to remain the flagship park? Sorry to say, if you ever thought that CP would not be CF's crown jewel, you were only fooling yourself. Even with that, the selling of land shows and proves nothing. Why pay taxes on land that would not be able to be used for 30 years? Sell parts of it off, make some money, and then the park also has the opportunity of bringing in more people to the area. More attractions mean more people. And that is only if the selling of land rumor is true. And your thought of attracting 6-7 million guests/ year is inflated. Those kind of figures go along with year-round parks in Florida. Certianly not a seasonal park. And if 6 million were even concievable, can you imagine the crowds? The park is open about 130 days/ year. If attendance were to be 6 million, that would be an average of over 46,000 everyday. Heck USF brought in about 6 million in '06 and IoA was even below that.

4 years at GL is not long enough to make a profit? How long would you suggest?

Debt or no debt, keeping a business like GL operating that continues to lose money is plain dumb.

Nah, there is nothing weird about disliking a certain store due to the colors they use. Nothing at all. *freak* Seriously though, Pepsi does a nice job refreshing their look often. But on the other hand, people usually hate change. Look at the golden arches for McD's. It would be an absolute sin to ever change that. I guess Coke feels the same way about their "wave".

There really are so many questions here. If the 49ers are willing to move 30 miles from SF, why does it have to be here? I'm sure that there are other places to go. Mr. York kept bringing up the "I've never seen the overflow lot used". Well put an NFL stadium there and you are going to need more than just an overflow lot. Not to mention, there will be more events than just the 10 49ers games there. What happens on those days? I'm not exactly sure if I would want my family to be trying to enjoy a day at the park, but then fight the crowds, traffic, and some of the disorderlies that attend sporting events and concerts. It really is funny on how they are trying to spin the whole "Selling the park will be beneficial to CF" angle. CF did not mention about selling the park until the idea to put the stadium there was brought up. And how beneficial is it for CF to sell the park, but don't own the land? Sure they will make money on the deal, but would it really make that much of a difference? It is also intresting that Mr. York also does not understand why CF "changed their minds". Apparently he has not investigated what happened to Six Flags AstroWorld. Both of these stories are very similar. If the park is struggling, the stadium will not help. Again, just look at SFAW for the proof there.

Honestly I had 2 trips on Hurler this year and thought that both were actually (surprise, surprise) rather comfortable.

^ Any coaster, wood or steel, takes a tremendous amount of money. And to be honest, Firehawk being a flying coaster (station constuction), it would not surprise me in the least if it would be just as expensive or more than the cost of a ride like Villian.

It could be that the load station set-ups are different.

How? I do agree with his comments. Combine the local economy with trying to bring back the original GL fans was very difficult. Chances are, GL lost a generation of fans, and the older generation just did not want to go back. And for the others, the money was just not there. Many parks across the nation have really not seen a decline in attendance, but it certainly is not increasing as well.

Well... While anything can happen, I think it is easy to say that: DZ is not being removed and Vortex is not sinking. I really can't see CF and Timberwolf being removed or Beast/ Racer getting new trains, but sure, it is possible. Now new ride names for 2008. Yeah, I can see that definitely happening. Given the fact that the park is selling something for a discount pretty much gives away what is going on.

As much as I would like to say Disney, I can't. The reason being, comparing Disney to any other park is like comparing my hometown (pop. 100,000) to NYC. That being said, I have a particular fondness for BGE with Hershey and KennyWood close behind.

Mission accomplished. You made me scream. And I have not had the privilege of attending HH.

Quite honestly, I think having more than one kids area is a good idea. Only because, most parks today have the parent swap/ child swap program. Now if I am waiting in line, my wife can let the kids go on their size rides until I am ready to ride my size ride. But if all the kids' rides are in one specific area, and the ride that my wife and I want to enjoy is on the opposite side of the park, we cannot enjoy the best of both worlds. Keeping the kids busy and not bored is one of my top goals when we go to any park.

My head hurts....

Probably storage. CP does not really have the indoor facilities like FoF to store the cars. KI is the next closest park.