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That first pic looks like a Canadian goose. And they are some of the meanest animals that I have been around. Perhaps it was because I was chasing it with my putter, but the darn thing would not stop hissing at me on the green!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/prin...0,6681562.story

Yeah. All that lovely stagnant water combined with garbage and whatever else people wanted to put in it (insert gross thought here) really was a breeding ground for some lovely smells. Especially in late July when there was no wind and high humidity. That lake was also a breeding ground for mosquitos, which in the early 80's did not seem to be that big of a deal, but today? Whoa! I can't even imagine the West Nile Virus stories and accusations that would be put against the park. While it was neat to see the water themeing in The Beast station, we are better off they lake was drained.

^ Well there is no upcharge this year, so it is rather a mute point.

Well apparently there are some that seem to have the terminology wrong: http://www.sinc.stonybrook.edu/Stu/hnaseer/aboutme.htm

My bad! And you are absoutely correct about how much land CP owns into the lake. That is why I mentioned the ice dunes. They form right along the shoreline.

^ Please don't let my voice represent KICentral. I am just one person of almost 3000 with an opinion. Certainly you know that 1 person does not speak for almost 3000. And yes, it is very well known that KBF has won the Golden Ticket for their Haunt. Which is just another reason that, as prestigious as the GT's are, it is rather unfair to compare the two Haunts and that the walk up ticket prices being $5 more for Knott's. EDIT: Whoops, apparently I quoted you before you could make your edit. Sorry!

It is funny on how people will believe that building a coaster over the shores of Lake Erie, specifically over the water, is no big deal. In the summer, it would be fun, chilly until mid June, but still fun. But what some seem to forget is that Lake Erie winters are very harsh. Ice dunes can accumulate in excess of 15'. That is a tremendous amount of force to push water that high. But once the shoreline freezes, that is where the real force comes in. The ice that would surround each footer would most likely destroy the coaster. And yes, they could make the footers large & beefy enough to possibly withstand the winter forces, but now imagine the cost? I will never say never, but I would certainly be shocked if CP would do anything like that.

Ah, where to start... I could really care less that you believed HH was unorganized. Sure, when you have a rather large crowd during a 6 hour period, things will get missed. That will happen with any event. I would have expected a vetern park enthusiast like yourself to have understood that. But hey, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. And honestly, it is a good thing that vetern amusement park enthusiasts, like yourself, do have opinions on such events. It is well known that upper management staff of the park frequent this site, and they may happen to take your comments as a valid opinion and try to correct the problem. And while you did not come out and make the direct quote about your knowledge of the upcharge in '08, your comments of: Then another member posted about the upcharge in '08, which led to your comment of: That certainly led me to believe that you had no idea of the upcharge in '08. If you knew about it, you would have answered your own comment in your original post. You certainly did not hold back on telling us about your elite status and knowledge, so why would you hold back on specific knowledge? But now this is where I will defend KI. Knott's has been doing this for how long? They are also open for all but 8 days in October, so the demand to go to the park on a specific day or weekend for an event like HH would not be as great compared to KI. Not to mention their staff is year-round where KI scrambles this time of year to bring in as many qualified people as possible. Now the weather. Sure Cincinnati gets decent weather, but nothing compared to Southern California. In October the average temperature near Knott's is 66.8 degrees with an average rainfall of .3". In Cincinnati the averages in October are 54.1 degrees and 2.4" of rain. So when the weather is good, people are going to flock to those two days, or those few days prior to Halloween, when KI is open. So it is quite easy to see that comparing both parks is rather unfair. Where you certainly lost me is when you started to try and throw your weight around because you vote for the Golden Tickets. Your comments of trying to let others' understand that you know what you are talking about, just because you vote in that poll actually put yourself into that position of being questioned. But now look at it from this angle, how is it no problem for you to have an opinion about how a park operates for a special event, but I cannot have an opinion about a tainted poll? Hey it is great that you have been on over 400 coasters. Congrats! I'm not really sure how that makes you an expert in the amusement park field, but it does in your mind. It is always good to have self confidence. But now, is the amount of coasters really make that much of a difference? There are approximately 730 coasters just in North America, and according to your count, you have been on just over half of them. What about the rest of the 40% in North America? Or how about the 2100 coaster that are Worldwide? Don't they count? Or is it just the bigger parks that get the most attention? And congrats on being an ACE member. I'm not really sure why you would mention that, but obviously you are proud to be a card carrying member of a club that you have to pay for. BTW, I have been a paying subscriber to ESPN for over 25 years, and I am in no way an expert on sports, nor will I claim to be. By the way you quickly pointed out that you are an expert in the field, it seems that you came packing for a fight. Sure we, or at least me, will be somewhat biased to KI. This is a KI site. Go to a neutral site like TPR or CB if you want unbiased opinions. But even here, at KICentral, we tend to be even more critical of the park than most guests. Only because we go to the park sometimes on a weekly basis unlike the guest that goes once a year. We see changes month to month, week to week, and sometimes day to day. Some changes recieve praise, others not so much. And don't forget to mention that you are a voter for the Golden Tickets as well as a member of ACE. Your reception be very warm!

Well I suppose if WAS charged a minimum $10/ person it would have been easier to keep around. Does anyone remember what the final upcharge was? $2.50 rings a bell, but I'm not sure.

After reading that quote, I has this vision of the tree being passed among different helicopters through each town. Something like the Olympic torch. .... man I MUST be tired.

The reasoning, although it still sucks for those planning to get their jacket this year, could be as easy as: There are just not enough jackets made yet, so the decision was made to supply CP with jackets since it is a destination park and most who enjoy it will be driving from at least 1 to 2 hours away. Now at KI, many of the season pass holders live within one hour and will have more opportunities in '07 and the beginning of the '08 season to get their jacket. EDIT: I have gone back to look at some past press releases and I cannot find any information that states the exact dates for the jackets to be given out. Are you sure that the dates changed?

^ I believe that the first come policy is for a specific size, not that you will not get one.

Well they have installed all of those coasters for over $100 million total since 2000. That is not exactly a bad 7 years. They have also installed almost 50 coasters around the World in that same time span. With another 7 coming in 2008. Apparently there are many parks that are not scared off from Intamin's recent operating issues.

I was really only joking around about Tower Johnny. My guess is that it had to do with insurance reasons. It probably was more cost effective to just weld the barriers closed than to install preventitive measures so dumb a$$es could not climb over the fence.

Well the normal comments of "There are survey stakes in the ground over there," or, "This dirt pile has moved 10' to the West," have been rather non-existent this year. So at this Point ( ) nobody knows. Perhaps a flat ride from GL? I am going to guess (which also is the popular guess among many enthusiasts) that in '09 you will see something built in the area that the aquatic stadium is presently. Unless they are going to tear down the stadium in the off season and then build something, but, that does not leave much time for opening day '08.

^ Depends on what your opinion of lengthy is. Maverick's heartline. MF's elevator cable has snapped a couple of times. As well as the main computer has blown at least once. Etc. But I was actually leaning more towards the early issues of WT, TTD, and KK.

http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?...pic=2390&hl

Excellent point. SD was nothing more than *meh*. But there really was nothing like WAS on a hot day. Just to sit there, completely relaxed, in AC. But being a seasonal park, it is hard to justify having an attraction like WAS. I find it difficult to believe that it did not run in the red, even with the upcharge (which BTW was worth every penny).

It could just be a Huss design/ engineering issue. Look at both Delirium and Maxair. Both have had lengthy downtime issues. Perhaps Huss is to flat rides as Intamin is to coasters?

There is an old saying: Take a piece of crap. Polish it up nice and shiney. What do you have in the end? A piece of crap. Maintenance could not have found the issues with SoB. Unless they were expected to a test on each verticle support everyday, which would have made the ride stay SBNO more than it already has.

It is too bad that skjackson had a bad time. Apparently it is not as well known that : 1) When there is good weather during these events, they get crushed as experienced is years past. On a side note: apparently CP's season attendence record was broken on Saturday with possible numbers over 50,000. 2) It is currently not an upcharge, but in 2008 it will be which will help with crowds. Actually I really don't see how people are upset about criticism of the park, just that when someone comes in here and proclaims their knowledge because they vote in a tainted poll is acting just like the 16 year old tag that they claim to actually be avoiding. Or they are acting like Al Gore proclaiming that he started the internet. Especially since it has well publicized that HH in 2008 will be an upcharge event, how would this well informed and knowledgeable Golden Ticket voter not know this? It has been news on every enthusiast site even before it was announced that there would be an upcharge in '08 but not in '07. And another qualification to vote for the Golden Ticket awards is that you could be a subscriber to Amusement Today. Well I wonder how that makes you a well traveled fan? It certainly makes you a paying fan, yet I question well traveled. Especially since you can find Amusement Today at a dentist's office. I am willing to bet there are some that frequent this bored that do vote for the Golden Tickets, yet never felt compelled to announce it with the expectation to be treated different. And it is also quite apparent that those who spend the most money on advertising in Amusement Today seem to be the ones that also win the most. Do you think that CF would spend money on a full page ad for CP if they were voted the 5th best park? While parks like Kennywood or Hershey decide to spend their revenue in other areas and don't seem to get the respect from the GTA, yet many enthusiasts adore those parks. Those would be the same enthusiasts that bash CP on a daily basis, yet CP is #1 yet again. If you really want to get a good feeling on how enthusiasts (which all of us are) feel about the Golden Tickets, look at some of the responses here: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10703

Sorry but, HAHAHAHAHA! With how valid the Golden Tickets are nowadays, I'm really not sure you should admit that. It's embarressing. I just love the people that pat themselves on the back and claim to be "experts". Honestly though, why would you even say that? If you were that knowledgable of an expert, your expertise & knowledge would show through your posts, not because you are patting yourself on the back because you vote in a very tainted award.

Then what they have been doing with it all year? There have been numerous reports that the themeing has been removed for repair and/ or replacement. Obviously they are doing something.

That would explain it. Hot day + riding SoB= delusions I really doubt that CF had any intentions of bringing FH to KI less than two weeks of taking possession of the park. Now add to that: CF is notorious for not releasing their "plans" for new rides. Now a ride, coaster no less, leaving one park and going to another? That is even bigger news than a new coaster being installed. Top that with a regular park employee knowing the information? Sorry man, I don't buy it.