SonofBaconator

For those who voted "fake" could you maybe elaborate on why? Just out of curiosity.

I agree, it would be hard to sell a coaster that's, say 280ft, as opposed to one that's 300ft+. I think the biggest defining factors of this ride are gonna be the heighth and the length. If the heighth doesn't exceed 300ft people will feel some sort of way. Actually, I think the length is the more important factor. Track length is one of the few things KI prides itself on, heck we break records with length, so if this new attraction isn't longer than Diamondback I can underatand people's negative criticisms and quickness to judge. The bar has been set so high with coasters like Banshee, Fury 325, Yukon Striker, etc that its hard to accept when a high CF teir park goes under the usual bar. Then again, I think we as enthusiasts need a little bit of hindsight when looking at new additons. Our perspectives might be completely different than that of the average GP guest who's never ridden a 300ft tall coaster before. A giga at KI has been hyped since the addition of Leviathan in 2012. Heck the idea of a giga at KI has been mainstreamed so much in the amusement community that we've had 100+ page threads about it, dozens of Nolimits2 concepts, and countless microsoft paint concepts. Some concepts seen online are beautiful but seem a bit much, especially for a park like KI. I think with 8 years of hype, people are bound to be disappointed in some form or another. I think one KIC member coined the phrase "anticipointment" after the contents of the Mystic Timbers shed were revealed and you can argue many of us are feeling the same way after seeing the leaked blueprints. We finally got a touch reality after letting our imaginations get too far ahead of ourselves. I say its still early in the season and we should be happy we're even talking about a coaster addition in the 1st place.

I think the argument many fans have is "if its smaller or around the same length as Diamondback then what's the point?" I don't think its about being better than others but rather improving on what we already have.

Question that anyone could answer. What if the attraction was closer to 300ft in heighth and 5,000ft in length as opposed to say Fury 325 or Millennium Force; would you guys feel robbed? Or would you guys rather be grateful for what we get? I've been hearing mixed reviews on reddit, YouTube, and other sites that are talking about the leaked blueprints and wanted to know your guy's honest opinions.

Makes you curious if its real if it'll between Leviathan and Fury 325 or not. The layout doesn't reveal much, aside from a possible figure 8 towards the end of the ride. If it is real I am a little suprised that itll be a straight out and back layout similar to Shambala.

The chain lacks creativity. They get money from using Warner Brothers properties by naming their rides after DC and Looney Tunes characters. Cedar Fair at least tries and make each park unique and different from one another

I was born in the late 90s so I grew up in the early 2000s Paramount Era. Which decade do you think was the best decade for the park? Personally I think the 2010s is the best era for the park because of the additions like Banshee, Mystic Timbers, and the return of old favorites like the gliders, Winterfest, Bat, and the Antique Autos

Yes. Trying to avoid one word posts

Patriot at CGA is shorter than Vortex and that has floorless trains. If B&M made second gen stand-up trains to test I would be all for it but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I like it that way- you get a good picture http://cpfoodblog.com/park-food-guides/kings-island-food/

That was an inside joke from the summer of 2013 where a troll kept telling us he saw green Intamin track..

Personally I think they need a GCI over the Dinosaurs Alive area. On another note, I'm surprised Vortex hasn't been converted to a floorless yet; maybe that'll be an off year project when they don't have anything else immediately planned

With what's been happening to the other Vekomas in the chain I agree. Boomerang at KBF could have been relocated or sold but instead it was scrapped, same with Stinger and FH. I'm sure we'll get a few more years out of Invertigo until its ridership drops or maintenance costs go up enough to justify a removal. After that, I don't think we'll see another coaster removed for a while. For years I thought BLSC would be removed but now I'm leaning more towards a retheme.

I think it would save the chain more money if they just relocated the ride as opposed to building a new one. One man's "trash" is another man's treasure and I think the fans of CGA would love Wicked Twister at their park.

I think there's a duration of time after a new ride debuts where people want something new. I'd say with a park like KI, that duration is 3 years. In my opinion, the 3 year formula works perfectly, take the gap between Banshee and Mystic Timbers. 2014- Banshee's inaugural season 2015- Banshee's second season 2016- Prep for new attraction 2017- Mystic Timbers inagural season If you apply that to 2020 you get this 2017- Mystic Timbers inaugural season 2018- Mystic Timbers second season 2019- Prep for new attraction 2020- Giga It takes about 3 years to plan a coaster according to Greg Scheid and I think we'll continue to see this formula.

I still wonder if they'll RMC Hurler in the coming years or just leave it.

I think he's referring to the CGA poster, which isn't exactly a source but is a solid base for speculation http://coasterhub.com/archives/19188

We've seen some significant coaster removals in the Cedar Fair including Stinger at Dorney Park, Firehawk at KI and Volcano at KD to name a few. With this knowledge one can only speculate that more coasters will be removed in the future. What do you guys think are the next coasters to be removed? Personally I think Vekoma is going to be purged from the chain with exceptions to smaller rides like Flying Ace Ariel Chase and others. I don't think Arrow coasters will be in Jeopardy unless RMC's T-Rex proves to be a superior track style. *I have no information on which Cedar Fair coasters will be removed or when, pure speculation*

Does anyone know the ride's hourly capacity? I know there were three trains holding 16 riders each.

Agreed, I think every B&M added to the chain have been a solid investment.

IF Phantom Theater makes a return, I nominate Mark Hamill to voice the Maestro

With regards to the former lake, this is what Shaggy has to say back in 2010 @Shaggy

Besides being the longest wooden coaster in the world, I think a lot of people forget that The Beast is currently the longest coaster in North America.

I think B&M's new technique is filling the tubes/ rails with sand as opposed to the spine which is more cost effective and is accomplishes the same thing.

Philadelphians can get to Six Flags Great Adventure in about an hour which is around the same time they can get to Dorney Park. It makes me wonder if Cedar Fair is wondering what to do with this park in terms of investments. They're competing with Hershey Park and Great Adventure which I'm sure is hurting their attendance. With Kings Dominion competing with BGW, it makes me wonder if Cedar Fair has a good market in the eastern US. The company's main dominance lies in the Midwest, Canada, the Southeast, with the West Coast showing promise. I wonder if Cedar Fair will try to compete in the eastern market in the future or cut their losses and continue to focus more on their other markets.