KIBeast

I was going to say, when was this ride not safe? Just goes to show you that it appears that the people questioning the g forces on the ride were not aware that it had been in operation at a Six Flags park for a few years with no fatalities.

I think CP cannot be done in a day. There are so many coasters and rides, it takes at least two days. Early entry would definitely be a plus. However, I would not suggest queueing up for Maverick first thing as it still has some technical difficulties and from what I understand, if often opens later than the rest of the rides. I would go for Raptor, Millennium Force, or Top Thrill Dragster. Some lines that generally are not very long include Wicked Twister {may I suggest the very back seat} (never have seen a wait time longer than 30 minutes), maXair (about 1-2 cycles max), Cedar Creek Mine Ride (about 15-20 minutes). Don't miss the Geminii coaster. It races and you are close enough to the other train to slap hands with the other riders. It has some great air time and an awesome helix finale. Of course, there's also the legendary Magnum XL 200. Great air time and the bunny hops on the return give wicked ejector air time. Maverick is also extremely fun with the 95 degree first drop that makes you feel like it's going to toss you out of your seat, some great air time, and an awesome second launch through the tunnel. I thoroughly enjoyed Skyhawk. It looks and feels like a giant, air-powered swing set. If you like drop rides, Power Tower is pretty awesome in its' own right. Also, towards the front gate is Demon Drop. It's not as large as Power Tower, but has a gut wrenching drop. Corkscrew is fairly good...however, the corkscrew over the midway can't be beat. It's a nice place to take pics as well. As far as I know, Wild Cat is still down, which is a shame as I find it to be a very fun small coaster. If you like stand-up coasters, Mantis is pretty good. A great layout. However, be advised that I have heard many people complain of the comfort (or lack thereof) of the nether region (groin area). The Blue Streak is a classic out and back wood coaster that is filled with airtime. Very fun. The Mean Streak is a rather large wooden coaster towards the back of the park. I have read many complaints about its' roughness, however, I find it to be no rougher than The Beast. Its' wooden structure is certainly a sight to see. Well, I hope all that info. is of some use to you. Have a great time and please feel free to post a Trip Report afterward to let us know how you enjoyed Cedar Point.

I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of meeting calendar added to KIC. That would allow people to see who is going on what day and it could include a KIC day if that materializes.

I do not find the Son of Beast enjoyable in any way. I have ridden it 5 times in my entire life and I have made a vow to never ride it again. The last time I rode it i rode it in the second to front seat, and a came off holding my ribs, and another person said to his father: Now hows that for GP opinion. And don't give me this: "Well if you ride it in this seat it should be o.k" stuff. Any ride where you must ride in a certain seat is not a decent ride, because most of the GP doesn't know this and will get nailed. To address the question which has been bolded for my response... You and whomever else you heard is still only a small sampling of the GP's opinion. Show me a lot more and we could start to get somewhere. Not saying you are wrong, just saying that a few guests do not make up the majority of the GP's opinion.

Freakin' sweet! When you mentioned aerial shots in that other thread, I figured at least a week, not a couple of hours. Good job, Gabriel!

Was it the former site of the underground railroad?

Very cool, Nemo! I always look forward to your aerial photos. Of course, don't want to forget the times that Coach Bombay was involved.

I don't know when KI was in the coaster race exactly, but it was during the Paramount years. I think the part of the race that they were in was the -est business as in tallest or fastest or onlyiest( ) and not coaster count. I remember Sieffert stating that they were not going to be in the coaster race any more and instead, would focus more on "family friendly" attractions. Hence the reason that Italian Job was built and not something more thrilling. I have to concede, after hearing your story about Waldameer, your arguement seems a bit stronger now. It's not that I didn't believe you, I just wanted to hear strong arguements to make your case and I think you did just that. It's what I like about a good debate.

Yes, I knew that SOB is indeed a hyper coaster. Why were all of those larger or -est coasters built? Bragging rights. Something to advertise to draw people in which mostly would include the general public. They probably had coaster geeks in mind as well, but surely you don't believe they built it simply to satisfy that small demographic. You make it seem that is the only reason that they would build KK, TTD, SOB, or MF. And if every park was truley in it for the enthusiasts, why even bother building other attractions since it seems you think only the coaster communities' opinions really matter? Why would KI have dropped out of the coaster race if it's the coaster community that matters most? Because they are the minority, not the majority.

For someone who gets all of his information from coaster sites, you sure don't read much. I've seen it here, on coasterbuzz, and other coaster sites that people have been wanting some type of hyper coaster built at KI for years. I've heard it since I've joined these forums. I have said it myself. If KI listened to me so closely or anyone else from the coaster community, we'd have a lot more coasters than what we do now. I totally disagree with you about movie reviews. I believe ET was given the thumbs down, as well as many other movies that went on to become highly popular with the general public. On rare occassions, like the two movies you suggested, they are actually right. It only proves a trend that most "coaster geeks" don't like SOB. The other person debating was the one stating about how they believe the GP is seeming to love SOB and she/he has no more proof that this is true than you have that they do not. I never claimed I know how the GP feels about SOB. But I also never claimed that the coaster community alone speaks for everyone.

I'm not saying throw out the opinions of us coaster geeks. What I am saying is that KI has millions of visitors every year. A few hundred thousand (if there are even that many, a small sampling)coaster geeks do not represent the opinion of the entire general public who visit anually. You're making generalizations. You are making the conclusion that since most coaster enthusiasts don't like SOB, then it must mean the GP doesn't like it and you just don't know that. And no, if there was actual data that represents the GP, then I wouldn't say, well, they are enthusiasts, so we can't count them. Fact of the matter is, there is no real representation of what the GP thinks. Just as witnessing a small crowd of marathoning guests does not represent the opinions of the GP, neither do the opinions of the coaster community. And I do listen to what the coaster community thinks, but I also take it with a grain of salt because I'm not going to decide whether or not to ride a coaster based upon what someone else thinks just like I won't refuse to go see a movie just because some people have stated that they don't like it. I go and see the movie or ride that coaster for myself and make up my own mind. Something I would suggest everyone do. As far as coaster events go, I couldn't really care. They don't sway my opinion to go or not to go. Coaster sites wouldn't drop off the planet just because they couldn't have an event just for them. I suppose you think the new coaster(if that's what is being built) is being built to satisfy the coaster community because people on here and other boards have been whining for years about how KI needs something like this?

But, we are not comparing one coaster against another. We are only trying to figure out if the GP loves or hates SOB (and the gp does not need to compare from one coaster to the next to know whether or not they like said coaster). The coaster geeks are not enough of a basis to determine whether or not the GP likes or dislikes this coaster, which is really the arguement. I think we can all agree that the enthusiasts don't like SOB, but as stated before, their opinions do not make up enough of the GP's opinions to even determine what the GP likes or dislikes. Like I said before, you would have to survey every person who rode SOB over at least a three year period before you can even START to come to any conclusions at all about what they like or don't like. Both sides that have been debating are only drawing from a SMALL sample of guests and neither arguement can DEFINITIVELY represent the GP's opinion.

I love this quote! Funny, though cause the author admits to being one of those coaster geeks.

From what I understand, we need to be talking to the Canadians, at least as far as drilling for new oil. Personally, I'd rather us get away from being dependent on crude oil all together.

Ok, then to me, it makes your arguement less valid then, if you are basing everything off of entusiasts' opinions. We all know us coaster nerds only make up .000001% of their customer base. I was trying to be polite in saying that you are both right and you are both wrong.

Ugh! Disaster!

It will only intrude on the parking lot, not the park itself. That's where the legal battle is.

What!? Paramount bought Coney? J/K

Let me just say this...I don't think either of you have enough data to say definitively whether or not the GP likes SOB. What you both have said are true, but like I said here or in another thread, what you both have is a small sampling of data, nothing more, nothing less. And until someone comes along and gathers such data, both arguements are really based on incomplete data. You both presented strong arguements, but there just isn't enough there to say one way or the other.

^That looks cool. How about a spider on the Eiffel Tower? Chef, I like your classics idea as well.

^Whom are you talking to? I like your moral of the story, Woofer. However, you did not have any corrective surgery, at least none you stated. I, on the other hand, had major back surgery for 8 hours. I would like to think that things could get better down the road, but I'm not counting on it.

I'll take hypercoasters for a thousand, Mr. Trebek! Interpreter, I thought DK said his biggest mistake was Disaster Transport, then TTD. I could be wrong.

Amen! As some of you may know or not know, I had back surgery when I was 20. I have two titanium rods in my back due to scoliosis. I can ride coasters, at least for now. I am finding it harder and harder as the years go on to stand in lines. The pain and stiffness increases almost daily now. I was in the ER Monday night over this and missed work on Tuesday. I have a feeling that within the next 10-15 years, I'll have to use a wheelchair, at least to some degree. Thank GOD I have a loving wife whom already realizes that when we used to joke about her having to push me around in a wheelchair, that this maybe coming sooner rather than later, which is what we had both hoped would not happen until much later. Had I not had the surgery, it was predicted that I would be in a wheelchair by 40 and it would be the eventual death of me considering I had over 70 degree curvature of the spine. I would have become so bent over I would have crushed my own organs. Karen, I remember your story and I hope that everything works out well for you. I really do feel for you and I am glad that for the moment, I am ambulatory. Although it seems that is changing daily.

This TR is great! I can't wait until my little one is born and we can begin the KI fun!

But, why would people think that? Do they not promote their Golden Tickets for Cedar Point? I usually see one on the front of their guides about how they've been voted best amusement park for umteenth years in a row. Not to mention their coaster rankings. Has anyone seen a guide for this year?