Orion742 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Looks like we aren’t the only one next year… https://www.knotts.com/new-in-2024 It’s very interesting they decided to not go with a family boomerang like KI. Correct me if I am wrong but is that a Zamperla Junior coaster? The rock work looks to be amazing! I just hope they can follow through with that. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodVengeance Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Orion742 said: Looks like we aren’t the only one next year… https://www.knotts.com/new-in-2024 It’s very interesting they decided to not go with a family boomerang like KI. Correct me if I am wrong but is that a Zamperla Junior coaster? The rock work looks to be amazing! I just hope they can follow through with that. I believe it is a Zamperla Junior Coaster. I'm also pretty surprised that they didn't get Snoopy's Soap Box Racers as I thought the "Soap Box Racers" part was a direct nod to Knott's original Wacky Soap Box Racers. Seems that wasn't the case. Still looks really good! I'm wondering if Cedar Fair is experimenting with different types of snoopy kiddie/family coasters for their parks. Canada's Wonderland got an ART engineering family launch coaster, Kings Island got a Vekoma Family Boomerang and now Knott's is getting a Zamperla Junior Coaster. (You could also throw in Wild Mouse at Cedar Point in here too, though it's not themed to Snoopy but it is still a kiddie/family coaster) Makes me wonder if parks like Carowinds and KD get something different if they recieve a Planet/Camp Snoopy expansion in the near future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoaster Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Great additions n refresh for Knotts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonHelbig Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 I wrote a piece on Knott's Berry Farm's Camp Snoopy makover. It looks great! A Beagle Scout Adventure Unveiled at Knott's Berry Farm - Theme Parks By Don 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr0y Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 That area is gonna look great! I have heard they are retiring their 24’ Crown steam locomotive and replacing it with an electric locomotive. That is disappointing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonHelbig Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Tr0y said: That area is gonna look great! I have heard they are retiring their 24’ Crown steam locomotive and replacing it with an electric locomotive. That is disappointing. The train will lose part of its authenticity and charm going from a steam locomotive to an electronic locomotive. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 6 hours ago, DonHelbig said: The train will lose part of its authenticity and charm going from a steam locomotive to an electronic locomotive. That it will. Hopefully a park that runs 24” track, like Hershey or Lagoon, will buy it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastfan11 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Horrible news about their train. Truly a unique experience. I wonder what happened? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco2000 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, beastfan11 said: Horrible news about their train. Truly a unique experience. I wonder what happened? Because California wants everything electric and zero emissions by 2035 - lawn mowers, weed eaters, cars, trains, anything powered... https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/transportation/california-adopts-first-ever-rules-to-decarbonize-freight-trains 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastfan11 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, disco2000 said: Because California wants everything electric and zero emissions by 2035 - lawn mowers, weed eaters, cars, trains, anything powered... https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/transportation/california-adopts-first-ever-rules-to-decarbonize-freight-trains Conflicted. Don’t hate that idea at all because we gotta take better care this our spinning rock, but…. Trains are too cool. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor.B03 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 At the bare minimum, they should simulate a steam engine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) On 12/8/2023 at 12:11 PM, disco2000 said: Because California wants everything electric and zero emissions by 2035 - lawn mowers, weed eaters, cars, trains, anything powered... https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/transportation/california-adopts-first-ever-rules-to-decarbonize-freight-trains That’s not the case. The engine they’re retiring is a crown that runs on propane the same as KI’s engines do- propane burns a lot cleaner. It should also be noted that Knott’s just got number 41 back from having some work done on the Durango and Silverton Railroad. @beastfan11 to answer your question, probably a maintenance and staffing fix. The engine they are retiring is small but still requires steam locomotive maintenance and needs to be run by an engineer who knows steam. By switching to an electric locomotive, the maintenance is probably a lot easier and they can just staff it with a ride operator and call it a day. Edited December 10, 2023 by SonofBaconator Fixing an incorrect statement 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 I think that hits the nail on the head. The first thing I thought of was reduced maintenance and labor costs for essentially the same ride experience. The park still has an authentic steam engine running, so all is not lost. I know that Cedar Fair tracks things like maintenance costs per rider, etc. At least they are getting to keep the ride, and not just taking it out completely. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco2000 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 hours ago, SonofBaconator said: That’s not the case. The engine they’re retiring is a crown that runs on propane the same as KI’s engines do- propane burns a lot cleaner. It should also be noted that Knott’s just got number 41 back from having some work done on the Durango and Silverton Railroad. Number 41 and sister engine 340 are both coal burners which put out way more emissions than a small propane fired engine. If they were trying to reduce the emissions, both of their larger locomotives would be gone. @beastfan11 to answer your question, probably a maintenance and staffing fix. The engine they are retiring is small but still requires steam locomotive maintenance and needs to be run by an engineer who knows steam. By switching to an electric locomotive, the maintenance is probably a lot easier and they can just staff it with a ride operator and call it a day. OR maybe it had some significant improvements coming up that needed to be made now or soon and they figured it was time to just bite the bullet now and not risk CA telling them to shut it down in 12 years even if propane is cleaner - it isn't zero emissions and that is the CA goal, and made the switch to electric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, disco2000 said: OR maybe it had some significant improvements coming up that needed to be made now or soon and they figured it was time to just bite the bullet now and not risk CA telling them to shut it down in 12 years even if propane is cleaner - it isn't zero emissions and that is the CA goal, and made the switch to electric? All I’m saying is that they wouldn’t spend the money to have a coal burner overhauled if emissions were an issue. Actually burned oil Edited December 10, 2023 by SonofBaconator Fixing an error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 @disco2000 @beastfan11 @CoastersRZ @Tr0y I want to retract what I stated earlier, Knott’s narrow gauge locomotives were coal burners back in the day but were converted to burn oil -which is a lot cleaner than coal or wood. Quote The steam engines were refurbished and converted from coal burning to oil burning, then put to work at Knott’s hauling passengers on a 5/8-mile loop. https://www.ocregister.com/2016/08/17/a-knotts-berry-farm-steam-locomotive-is-reborn/amp/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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