Cedar Fair 2023 Additions

[SonofBaconator]

11 minutes ago, terry wass said:

i did puchase my gold pass today. So basically a no to pestige and down grade platinum as I went to CP once this year. However to the point of the thread I feel CF is pushing KI as the family park in Ohio and most amusement park publications are indicating a push that way as families spend more $$$ than young people looking for the next 300 foot coasters. So yes the next improvements are probably Planet Snoopy and Soak City and another dining establishment with indoor seating. Would love a water coaster in oak city. Not really surprised with the lack of anything new next season. I know every one on this site is in the  big coaster thrill group. just trying to be real about it.

Whether people like to believe it or not, families make the $$$. Even CP’s 2023 additions appeal more to the families and younger audience as opposed to something massively thrilling. I can see the waterpark and Planet Snoopy sections being touched next as well.

[disco2000]

2 hours ago, Kenban said:

This also makes a Kings Island annual pass more expensive than even Cedar Point, which is selling gold passes for $99.  The only park in the chain more expensive is Knott’s Berry Farm who has not announced 2023 pricing yet.

It does seem odd that they are deviating a bit from their previous costing model.  Could be a couple of different reasons:

• KI is a more valuable asset than the other parks so they are reflecting that in the pricing.
• Adjusting to cost of living/cost of doing business variations across the communities they have parks in.
• They sold too many gold passes to KI and are trying the Disney approach (that failed lol) at raising costs to better control attendance.
• Some other reason or no reason at all.

[Oldschool75]

It does seem odd that they are deviating a bit from their previous costing model.  Could be a couple of different reasons:

• KI is a more valuable asset than the other parks so they are reflecting that in the pricing.
• Adjusting to cost of living/cost of doing business variations across the communities they have parks in.
• They sold too many gold passes to KI and are trying the Disney approach (that failed lol) at raising costs to better control attendance.
• Some other reason or no reason at all.

Or trying to reduce the babysitting they do during the year and help curb the incidents at the park.


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[nhimes90]

9 minutes ago, disco2000 said:

It does seem odd that they are deviating a bit from their previous costing model.  Could be a couple of different reasons:

• KI is a more valuable asset than the other parks so they are reflecting that in the pricing.
• Adjusting to cost of living/cost of doing business variations across the communities they have parks in.
• They sold too many gold passes to KI and are trying the Disney approach (that failed lol) at raising costs to better control attendance.
• Some other reason or no reason at all.

Another potential reason could be the issue that’s been starting to plague theme and amusement parks…..

fights and rowdy crowds. 
 

Now before you read ahead, please know that I am not trying to start an argument or debate. I am just simply stating a theory. Many people accuse Disney of the same exact theory below:

Even though I don’t agree with the theory, raising prices can be seen as a way to discourage the rowdy crowds. In a lot of business minds, it’s the poorer people who misbehave. (100% don’t agree with that) So by raising prices they can keep poorer people away and then the rowdiness may subside.

 

Thoughts?

[DoomPlague]

5 minutes ago, nhimes90 said:

Another potential reason could be the issue that’s been starting to plague theme and amusement parks…..

fights and rowdy crowds. 
 

Now before you read ahead, please know that I am not trying to start an argument or debate. I am just simply stating a theory. Many people accuse Disney of the same exact theory below:

Even though I don’t agree with the theory, raising prices can be seen as a way to discourage the rowdy crowds. In a lot of business minds, it’s the poorer people who misbehave. (100% don’t agree with that) So by raising prices they can keep poorer people away and then the rowdiness may subside.

 

Thoughts?

Its quite possible to be honest but I think you have to raise the pass prices quite a bit to make any noticeable difference.

Disney's approach is probably more pricing out people who aren't willing to spend extra money inside the park, imo.

[jsus]

24 minutes ago, nhimes90 said:

Even though I don’t agree with the theory, raising prices can be seen as a way to discourage the rowdy crowds. In a lot of business minds, it’s the poorer people who misbehave. (100% don’t agree with that) So by raising prices they can keep poorer people away and then the rowdiness may subside.

 

Thoughts?

Not necessarily just the wealth level of the unruly guests, but also requiring them to put up more money.  The theory would be the more you spend on the experience, the more likely you are to behave yourself because you're more invested in the visit/season.  How much of an impact that would really have, I dunno.

[rlentless]

I think it strictly to raise revenue.  It is a small enough price jump that will not discourage most renewals.

[terry wass]

yes gold pass is slightly more at KI than CP , but CP has no early entry for gold pass. However my visit this year to CP had Mellenium Force, Maverick and steel vengence all down to start the day. That kind of puts a damper on early access.

[KI Guy]

2 hours ago, nhimes90 said:

Even though I don’t agree with the theory, raising prices can be seen as a way to discourage the rowdy crowds. In a lot of business minds, it’s the poorer people who misbehave. (100% don’t agree with that) So by raising prices they can keep poorer people away and then the rowdiness may subside.

I don't think this is a major part of their goal. I think it's about simple revenue. [If If they decide they want to discourage lower income buyers a more effective way would be to nix the installment plans for passes. Kings Island didn't have this option before 2010ish. Dollywood, Holiday World, and Indiana Beach still don't have them].

I can't understand though why Kings Island passes are 30% more than Cedar Point other than they think the KI customer will still pay it. Bold move.

[Rustbucket]

Looks like a trip back to WoF is necessary.  

I will post photos of Carowinds and Dollywood construction progressions anyone wants them.  

[Browntggrr]

On 8/11/2022 at 1:07 PM, nhimes90 said:

Even though I don’t agree with the theory, raising prices can be seen as a way to discourage the rowdy crowds. In a lot of business minds, it’s the poorer people who misbehave. (100% don’t agree with that) So by raising prices they can keep poorer people away and then the rowdiness may subside.

 

Thoughts?

I have seen this suggestion many times over the past few years & I keep having the same question:

Why is it some believe that the people starting/ involved with these incidents can't afford the increase?  And along with that question- why do some only believe it's teenagers?

Like yourself, I do not agree with that as well.  Don't punish the majority for what a fraction of unruly guests do.  

As I have said before- put the unruly ones on social media blast being escorted from the park & charged to the fullest extent of the law.

[Rustbucket]

Construction well on the way at Carowinds.  These are taken on 9/4/2022. 

 

[purdude86]

On 8/11/2022 at 1:32 PM, jsus said:

Not necessarily just the wealth level of the unruly guests, but also requiring them to put up more money.  The theory would be the more you spend on the experience, the more likely you are to behave yourself because you're more invested in the visit/season.  How much of an impact that would really have, I dunno.

That as well as if they are receiving more money, any loss from incidents gets mitigated by the greater capital upfront as well.

[Orion742]

12 hours ago, Rustbucket said:

Construction well on the way at Carowinds.  These are taken on 9/4/2022. 

 

I would really like to see Afterburn receive a repaint. With all the new re theming it will make Afterburn stand out. I hope they give it some love this off season.