SonofBaconator Posted August 11, 2022 Author Share Posted August 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, terry wass said: i did puchase my gold pass today. So basically a no to pestige and down grade platinum as I went to CP once this year. However to the point of the thread I feel CF is pushing KI as the family park in Ohio and most amusement park publications are indicating a push that way as families spend more $$$ than young people looking for the next 300 foot coasters. So yes the next improvements are probably Planet Snoopy and Soak City and another dining establishment with indoor seating. Would love a water coaster in oak city. Not really surprised with the lack of anything new next season. I know every one on this site is in the big coaster thrill group. just trying to be real about it. Whether people like to believe it or not, families make the $$$. Even CP’s 2023 additions appeal more to the families and younger audience as opposed to something massively thrilling. I can see the waterpark and Planet Snoopy sections being touched next as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco2000 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Kenban said: This also makes a Kings Island annual pass more expensive than even Cedar Point, which is selling gold passes for $99. The only park in the chain more expensive is Knott’s Berry Farm who has not announced 2023 pricing yet. It does seem odd that they are deviating a bit from their previous costing model. Could be a couple of different reasons: KI is a more valuable asset than the other parks so they are reflecting that in the pricing. Adjusting to cost of living/cost of doing business variations across the communities they have parks in. They sold too many gold passes to KI and are trying the Disney approach (that failed lol) at raising costs to better control attendance. Some other reason or no reason at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldschool75 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 It does seem odd that they are deviating a bit from their previous costing model. Could be a couple of different reasons: KI is a more valuable asset than the other parks so they are reflecting that in the pricing. Adjusting to cost of living/cost of doing business variations across the communities they have parks in. They sold too many gold passes to KI and are trying the Disney approach (that failed lol) at raising costs to better control attendance. Some other reason or no reason at all. Or trying to reduce the babysitting they do during the year and help curb the incidents at the park. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhimes90 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, disco2000 said: It does seem odd that they are deviating a bit from their previous costing model. Could be a couple of different reasons: KI is a more valuable asset than the other parks so they are reflecting that in the pricing. Adjusting to cost of living/cost of doing business variations across the communities they have parks in. They sold too many gold passes to KI and are trying the Disney approach (that failed lol) at raising costs to better control attendance. Some other reason or no reason at all. Another potential reason could be the issue that’s been starting to plague theme and amusement parks….. fights and rowdy crowds. Now before you read ahead, please know that I am not trying to start an argument or debate. I am just simply stating a theory. Many people accuse Disney of the same exact theory below: Even though I don’t agree with the theory, raising prices can be seen as a way to discourage the rowdy crowds. In a lot of business minds, it’s the poorer people who misbehave. (100% don’t agree with that) So by raising prices they can keep poorer people away and then the rowdiness may subside. Thoughts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomPlague Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, nhimes90 said: Another potential reason could be the issue that’s been starting to plague theme and amusement parks….. fights and rowdy crowds. Now before you read ahead, please know that I am not trying to start an argument or debate. I am just simply stating a theory. Many people accuse Disney of the same exact theory below: Even though I don’t agree with the theory, raising prices can be seen as a way to discourage the rowdy crowds. In a lot of business minds, it’s the poorer people who misbehave. (100% don’t agree with that) So by raising prices they can keep poorer people away and then the rowdiness may subside. Thoughts? Its quite possible to be honest but I think you have to raise the pass prices quite a bit to make any noticeable difference. Disney's approach is probably more pricing out people who aren't willing to spend extra money inside the park, imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsus Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, nhimes90 said: Even though I don’t agree with the theory, raising prices can be seen as a way to discourage the rowdy crowds. In a lot of business minds, it’s the poorer people who misbehave. (100% don’t agree with that) So by raising prices they can keep poorer people away and then the rowdiness may subside. Thoughts? Not necessarily just the wealth level of the unruly guests, but also requiring them to put up more money. The theory would be the more you spend on the experience, the more likely you are to behave yourself because you're more invested in the visit/season. How much of an impact that would really have, I dunno. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlentless Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 I think it strictly to raise revenue. It is a small enough price jump that will not discourage most renewals. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry wass Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 yes gold pass is slightly more at KI than CP , but CP has no early entry for gold pass. However my visit this year to CP had Mellenium Force, Maverick and steel vengence all down to start the day. That kind of puts a damper on early access. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 hours ago, nhimes90 said: Even though I don’t agree with the theory, raising prices can be seen as a way to discourage the rowdy crowds. In a lot of business minds, it’s the poorer people who misbehave. (100% don’t agree with that) So by raising prices they can keep poorer people away and then the rowdiness may subside. I don't think this is a major part of their goal. I think it's about simple revenue. [If If they decide they want to discourage lower income buyers a more effective way would be to nix the installment plans for passes. Kings Island didn't have this option before 2010ish. Dollywood, Holiday World, and Indiana Beach still don't have them]. I can't understand though why Kings Island passes are 30% more than Cedar Point other than they think the KI customer will still pay it. Bold move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustbucket Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Looks like a trip back to WoF is necessary. I will post photos of Carowinds and Dollywood construction progressions anyone wants them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 On 8/11/2022 at 1:07 PM, nhimes90 said: Even though I don’t agree with the theory, raising prices can be seen as a way to discourage the rowdy crowds. In a lot of business minds, it’s the poorer people who misbehave. (100% don’t agree with that) So by raising prices they can keep poorer people away and then the rowdiness may subside. Thoughts? I have seen this suggestion many times over the past few years & I keep having the same question: Why is it some believe that the people starting/ involved with these incidents can't afford the increase? And along with that question- why do some only believe it's teenagers? Like yourself, I do not agree with that as well. Don't punish the majority for what a fraction of unruly guests do. As I have said before- put the unruly ones on social media blast being escorted from the park & charged to the fullest extent of the law. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustbucket Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Construction well on the way at Carowinds. These are taken on 9/4/2022. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purdude86 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 8/11/2022 at 1:32 PM, jsus said: Not necessarily just the wealth level of the unruly guests, but also requiring them to put up more money. The theory would be the more you spend on the experience, the more likely you are to behave yourself because you're more invested in the visit/season. How much of an impact that would really have, I dunno. That as well as if they are receiving more money, any loss from incidents gets mitigated by the greater capital upfront as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion742 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Rustbucket said: Construction well on the way at Carowinds. These are taken on 9/4/2022. I would really like to see Afterburn receive a repaint. With all the new re theming it will make Afterburn stand out. I hope they give it some love this off season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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