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Yeah I agree. However, I believe Stinger was removed without warning and they basically hid it in a blog post. However, I would rather them do a last rides event than just remove it over the off-season without warning.

I'm thinking the same. The upside though, if there is a large coaster coming in 2024, next season would be a decoding year. Honestly those seasons are just as fun as the season a new coaster debuts. Honestly, I had a blast during the 2019 season with the decoding thread of Orion and the buildup to the announcement and the construction progressing throughout the season and off-season. I also remember the Mystic Timbers one pretty well even though I wasn't on here then. Looking forward to potentially a decoding season ahead.

And make them barrels to bring back Der Spinning Keggers

Not once did I even think a coaster for 2023 was a possibility. We would've seen signs of it since opening day as well as gotten an announcement in August. This is likely a notice saying construction is going to start in 2023 with a 2024 opening like Orion did in 2019. We'll just have to wait and see and enjoy the rest of this season first. Then have crazy speculation over the off-season and maybe the decoding 2024 thread starts in April.

I can agree with that, however keep in mind things can change in a day. Remember we weren't originally going to get Orion in 2020 it was supposed to be CGA's Megabite and then plans changed and we got Orion. I believe I remember Chad saying in a KIC interview that he could know one thing and it could change the very next day. While its certainly possible, I don't think they would need to list B&M on a notice of commencement for that unless its a major rebuild like replacing track/support sections. Also, with SkyHigh Coasters being on the list, I don't think this is just for maintenance unless SkyHigh is going to be doing the construction work on it which I doubt. We'll just have to wait and see.

I have a hard time believing he would have companies listed on a notice of commencement if they're not going to do any work at the park during the upcoming time frame. Commencement notices have to be accurate.

That's definitely a possibility but Idk if thats what they do. According to their website, they look like they're more about new construction and all their projects on the website are new coasters being built.

I highly doubt we're seeing KI adding companies here to troll enthusiasts who basically make up less than a percent of the park's revenue. The city and county aren't here to play. They aren't going to sign contracts and put them on a notice of commencement unless there is a specific reason. The biggest reason I think we are seeing the start of a coaster project is that SkyHigh Coasters is listed and correct me if I'm wrong, they only do new construction of steel coasters.

After thinking long and hard about it, I'm starting to lean in that direction. At Coasterstock, Mike Koontz was asked if he could bring any former ride back, what would he bring back and his answer was King Cobra. As much as I hated the 2 standups I've been on, I'm interested in seeing if this new version going to SeaWorld will be any more comfortable. With the hype and marketing going around with Zambezi Zinger returning, imagine the advertisements and hype they could do. Maybe the campaign being "The King is Back" or something along those lines. EDIT: Another thing I realized is 2024 would mark 40 years since King Cobra was built and if were still standing would celebrate its 40th anniversary. What a way to honor it 40 years after being built is to open a modern version.

There's already a thread on this

Another possibility for O'Rourke I thought of is what if its for demolition of Congo Falls? Ik the park never did a last ride event or made an announcement so this is just pure speculation, but if I remember correctly Carowinds removed their chute the chutes ride without warning back in 2017 which was replaced by Copperhead Strike. Idk. Trust me if I was KI and removed Congo, I would announce it over the summer and do a last rides event, but we've seen rides close without warning before so who knows. If you removed Congo, you could honestly fit in a B&M wing or something without removing Timberwolf. Just build an L shape like GateKeeper and follow along the parking lot behind Timberwolf. They would have to work around or do some work with some of those power lines though which could be an issue as talked about earlier in this thread.

My biggest issue with the vest restraints on valravn is that you can't feel the airtime on the drop.

Another B&M idea is what if its something we haven't seen yet. I believe it was a year or 2 ago B&M filed something with 2 new train designs. One being a new stand up which is going to SeaWorld Orlando for their surf coaster and the other one was B&M's take on a sit down lap bar (maybe for a multi launch to rival Mack, Intamin, etc). An idea I came up with here is what if they go with the new sit down lapbar design and build something similar to the Hulk at Universal with the new train design.

Other things listed in here is RE Middleton Construction who did Orion's footers and I'm sure footers from past coasters as well. Cintech Construction which is who built Orion's station. SkyHigh pretty much only does steel coaster construction according to their website. Unless it's a major rebuild of Diamondback or something I don't see the need for them unless there is in fact a steel coaster coming in 2024 and this is a notice for ground work to begin over the winter/next spring. Out of all the coaster manufacturers listed, B&M is the only steel coaster one listed so I'm like 80-90% sure we are looking at a B&M coaster for 2024 if this is for a new project starting. If so we are in for an interesting off-season and maybe just maybe next spring is when the decoding 2024 thread starts. Exciting times ahead hopefully.

Do you have a source on that? I have never heard that before. I thought Orion was always planned on being part of Coney/Xbase.

Or maybe that is what they use for the temporary stages they set up throughout the park for stuff like Carnivale? Idk interesting for sure. However, if they were to just set up temporary staging in the parking lot for concerts then there is no need to remove Timberwolf unless you were only going to do is Spirit Song which hasn't been held since before COVID. Also Timberwolf is used for music in the parks/cheer competitions as well as Haunt/Winterfest assembly.

Are you sure they have dumpsters there for removal? They could also be used for cleanup of cornered as they put cornered in that area. They also never taken out the patio stuff on the VIP area. Do you have a source of how much the concerts sold? The crowd for 3DD looked pretty good same with Skillet. Another thing you have to keep in mind is they still use it for Music in the parks/cheer competitions as well as Haunt/Winterfest assembly. Also Carowinds and KD haven't used their ampitheaters since 2019 and I haven't heard any rumors of those coming down. We'll just have to wait and see.

I don't see Timberwolf coming down quite yet. They just invested money into it and based on what I've seen the concerts were pretty well received and the bigger name acts brought in big crowds. The park has tons of land to expand without removing it. That is honestly my guess. Wolf Pack hasn't been used since 2019 and it looks like its in rough shape. Might be time to get rid of the rest of the SOB leftovers including the station and old queue and clean up that area around The Bat.

With both Zamperla and Daniels Woodland. Maybe the start of a flat ride package with theming like Carowinds is doing with Aeronautica Landing? Daniels Woodland is the one who did the theming for both Mystic and Orion.

Or how about a B&M flyer? Give a nod to Firehawk and put the pretzel loop where The Vortex batwing was as a nod to Vortex.

That would actually be pretty cool. Maybe more hotels too. With the building of Camp Cedar and the hospital as well as the rapid growth of houses in the area (I can't even count how many empty fields around the area have signs of construction) I feel as if the area will be getting a boom in entertainment/shopping options. I think that's exciting for us as that may mean more investment in the park. Hopefully we see a KI on site hotel eventually. Not necessarily Breakers size, but maybe something along the lines of the Marriott suites hotel by Carowinds? EDIT: Here's a quote from an article I was able to grab before the paywall came up. Man isn't it frustrating how slow and sneaky these paywalls are lol "The Beach’s replacement could be anything from retail to mixed-used development, Madden said. It’s too early to speculate on an exact timeframe for the site's redevelopment, he said, but something could be going in by early summer of 2023" Here's a link to the article for if you have a subscription: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/09/22/the-beach-waterpark-permanently-closed.html Based on that, I think housing with some retail/restaurants and hopefully a nice hotel is my guess.

Probably that and the train playing western music and having the old western town on the route

Does anyone know what Mr Madden does? That could give us an idea on the future. Is he a real estate developer? Is he an entertainment/shopping district developer?

While I wouldn't mind a madhouse or flying theater, part of me wants the building removed as a giant metal warehouse doesn't fit rivertown and replaced with a large rustic lodge restaurant like what Canada's Wonderland just opened with views of Diamondback. I also highly doubt they remove Larosa's as it is an original building to the park and is pretty popular. I like expanding The Beast midway back by the old Beast exit with the little shops. I believe the reddish/brown building to the right of The Beast entrance right behind the current fence was a mine shop at one point and I believe the current entrance where the vending machines are was a small snack stand at one point, but I could be wrong. Also, what would happen in the sheriff office and black smith? I don't really study old western towns or spend time in one so I have no clue what goes on in those.

Decided to try something a little different. I figured out you can measure points and make a path on Google Earth pro so I basically used Velocicoaster overhead views from Google Maps as my reference and I created something that comes around 5,117 feet in length while being as realistic as possible. Remember this is just an overhead shot and it is just something I came up with.