Oldschool75 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Posted by In the Loop Facebook page I really think The Beast could use these. Sent from a signal coming out of the Vega system. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calakapepe Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Reminds me of the texture maps when I used to play NoLimits and would make my own train designs. I hope that the panels have a good texture rather than just a printed sheet of "wood" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Hmm, I wanna move to California! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 "I really think The Beast could use these." You're killing me. I would LOVE that. *sorry for the obnoxious text that's how my phone did it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDMC01 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I'd be up for The Beast testing one of these trains, but I think I'd want at least one or two of the trains to be the standard because nostalgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I have a gut feeling that this will be Cedar Fair's equivalent to Six Flags's RMC conversions if it works out. We'll see! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver2005 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 My only issue with adding Millennium Flyers (that's what those are BTW) would be capacity. With how long it is and how the block sections are spread from lift 1 until lift 2, it needs to be a capacity monster. I have yet to see GCI go above 24 rider capacity with Millennium Flyers. GhostRider itself is reducing from 28 to 24 per train with this though its not as big a difference as Beast plus its significantly shorter. I do see a lot of benefit with switching from the PTC's if KI ever deems them unfit for the ride. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldiesmann Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Those trains remind me of the ones on Kentucky Rumbler (not the same but similar) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The 3 row PTCs are nice for capacity, but that's about it. They are just about the worst when it comes to navigating turns without being so rough on the track. Millennium Flyers streer through turns. They are far more comfortable. At one point, our PTCs were perfectly comfortable for most riders. Today, they are rigged with added ratcheting single bars, high seat dividers and headrests. PTCs have become obsolete. Millennium Flyers would be so much easier on the track and you may even be able to lessen up on the brakes a little maybe. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldschool75 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Well The Beast is the longest wooden roller coaster in the world, so I don't think capacity would be a problem. It runs 3 trains (30 riders a train I think) with no problem right now. I think this type off train would allow them to let up on the brakes a little, as it could pass through the transitions more fluidly. Millennium Flyer trains[edit] Troy at Toverland is one of GCI's roller coasters that run Millennium Flyer trains Most GCI designed roller coasters run with in-house-designed articulated Millennium Flyer trains. The only exception is Roar at Six Flags America, which runs with Philadelphia Toboggan Coasters (PTC)-designed trains. Gwazi at Busch Gardens Tampa Bay and GCI's first roller coaster, Wildcat at Hersheypark, also operated with PTC trains when they first opened, but both coasters have since been modified to run with the Millennium Flyer trains. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The 3 row PTCs are nice for capacity, but that's about it. They are just about the worst when it comes to navigating turns without being so rough on the track. Millennium Flyers streer through turns. They are far more comfortable. At one point our PTCs were perfectly comfortable for most riders. Today they are rigged with added ratcheting single bars, high seat dividers and headrests. PTCs have become obsolete. Millennium Flyers will be so much easier on the track and you may even be able to lessen up on the brakes a little maybe. I am just pointing out that PTC still makes buzz bars(handrail), low seat backs for 3 row cars. The two row cars only come with individual lapbars. Check their website and check out Ravine Flyer II's cars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I will admit it'd be hard to sell this change in The Beast to the bean-counters. It would take a LONG time for the cost of those trains to be paid for in the reduced maintainence costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 ^^ Yes, but Is think It's likely PTC wants the headrests on the trains. If they recommend it, then it's law in Ohio. Cedar Fair probably does too as the trains in their true, original configuration are not idiot proof for today's society, (Headrests are to help keep people who stand up inside). Side note. Cornball Express is pretty terrifying with buzzbars, but needless to say it is perfectly safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The original configuration was four benchers, which beat up the track even more. As for manufacturer, the coaster was built in-house. If KI and Cedar Fair want to change the trains to different ones, they can. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 That's interesting, thank you. I've always wondered how that worked with an in-house manufacturer and an outside train manufacturer. So are PTCs recommendations on their trains binding under Ohio law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Phrased that way, you'd need a lawyer authorized to practice law in the State of Ohio to answer that. Then, you'd get an opinion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver2005 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Another possible benefit with putting the Flyers on Beast is to have GCI come in and re-profile turns and let it run unaffected by trims. I'd also do a bit something different with the brake shed before the 2nd tunnel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldiesmann Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I sincerely doubt those modified trains are due to PTC recommendations. It's more likely due to the park wanting to avoid any possible chance that someone could sue them from getting hurt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Another possible benefit with putting the Flyers on Beast is to have GCI come in and re-profile turns and let it run unaffected by trims. I'd also do a bit something different with the brake shed before the 2nd tunnel. The second re-profiling starts on that coaster... 2016 is not 1979. Standards are different. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Phrased that way, you'd need a lawyer authorized to practice law in the State of Ohio to answer that. Then, you'd get an opinion.I see, thanks anyway. I thought I might get a response with the notorious Terpy legal disclaimer at the end. Hey folks, it could be much worse train-wise lest we forget the disasters that were SOB's Premier trains. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSalsa Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Wow, those are some awesome-looking new trains. Hopefully this works out for Ghost Rider better than it did for Gwazi, where that ride got new trains and it improved a lot...for like a year then it went rough again. Recent history seems to have shown just slapping new trains on a coaster and expecting it to have all its issues cleared up doesn't exactly work. Though if the modifications go beyond that- and they may well do that- then it could be a happier story, which is the outcome I want for GhostRider since I don't want to see a another once-beloved woodie kick the bucket early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faeriewench Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 With GhostRider off to the side...Knotts other announcement I really like. An addition I can actually enjoy rather than just another ride I probably wouldn't ride anyway. I was soooooo happy to see Screamin Swing leave! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethancoaster Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Anyone know if the Millennium Flyers are planned for Timberwolf? I know GCI has been reworking that coaster as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterDirected Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I would honestly love Millennium Flyers on The Beast. I'm not personally knowledgable exactly how much better they run on a layout compared to PTC trains, but the first GCI I rode, American Thunder (Cubs Thunder), I sat down and it was EXTREMELY comfortable. Only seats I would say are more comfortable (completely subjective) are Millie/Dragster and B&M hypers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calakapepe Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Im gonna drop this interview here. (From the middle to the end) They talk about Ghostrider being 50% retracking 50% reprofiling. MCBR will only be a mid-course... run! And the ending will have magnetic brakes https://youtu.be/Wfb5MlIPNnM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum91 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Well The Beast is the longest wooden roller coaster in the world, so I don't think capacity would be a problem. It runs 3 trains (30 riders a train I think) with no problem right now. I think this type off train would allow them to let up on the brakes a little, as it could pass through the transitions more fluidly. A coaster's length doesn't necessarily correlate with its capacity. Also, the three trains hold 36 riders each. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr0y Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 How about no. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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