Kenban Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I changed my post to make it clear I am talking about the helix tunnel. While it is not at Kings Island I have been wondering about the clearances on Storm Chaser. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calakapepe Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 At KK? There's no tunnel but for the inversions and cross overs its cleared enough for a moderately heighted person to have their hands up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver2005 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 All coasters go through clearance tests before they're opened, even if they have no tunnels, inversions or crossovers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCJTheHurricane Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I wonder if ever a strangely tall person has ever actually hit their hands on something overhead that supposedly passed a clearance test? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calakapepe Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I wonder if ever a strangely tall person has ever actually hit their hands on something overhead that supposedly passed a clearance test? I'd be surprised if that has never happened. And Im aware of clearance tests that should always happen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrocoasterkid Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 11 hours ago, JCJTheHurricane said: I wonder if ever a strangely tall person has ever actually hit their hands on something overhead that supposedly passed a clearance test? 11 hours ago, calakapepe said: I'd be surprised if that has never happened. And Im aware of clearance tests that should always happen I wouldn't necessarily say that. Case in point: Millennium Force. The unaltered support passed clearance testing, but was altered in it's first few years (see below, center right), presumably due to people being able to make contact with the support: Also, I have personally seen a friend who was able to lean far to the side and smack her hand on Beast's helix tunnel wall and she wasn't abnormally tall or anything (not the wisest decision, but hey, we were young and reckless). It's certainly possible, and she definitely never tried it again as it was pretty badly cut up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freaks76 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Mrs. Lizard posted pics of her hands from The Beast tunnel a couple years back. Looked like it hurt. Please keep hands and feet inside the vehicle at all times. That's what it says. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta Lizard Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 ^yep, that's what I was talking about on the last page. What's particularly scary about it for me is that I had my arms crossed at the wrists, and was not leaning to the side. I got jostled a bit just before entering the tunnel, and my arms shifted a little left of center over my head. And the contact point wasn't my fingertips but the corner of my wrist, so it could be contacted by someone with about six inches (the length of my hand) less reach. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial79 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Talking about The Beast, I think we'll be able to see Mystic Timbers from the second lift hill, then going down like we see Diamondback and the Eiffel Tower! That will look great at night! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calakapepe Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I wouldn't necessarily say that. Case in point: Millennium Force. The unaltered support passed clearance testing, but was altered in it's first few years (see below, center right), presumably due to people being able to make contact with the support: Also, I have personally seen a friend who was able to lean far to the side and smack her hand on Beast's helix tunnel wall and she wasn't abnormally tall or anything (not the wisest decision, but hey, we were young and reckless). It's certainly possible, and she definitely never tried it again as it was pretty badly cut up. Which is what i said. "I'd be surprised if that has never happened" even thinking specifically of magenta lizard who isnt "strangely tall" even. (If I recall) I said I would be surprised if there was NOT a case of a tall person smacking a supposedly clear area... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnaalexis Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Anyone know what the regulation for clerance is? I'm just wondering where the line of too close is. Trying to google it but it's not turning up much. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejenkins1 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 So wondering if they will enclose the transfer track building or leave the walls open? I am sure they are open now for easy access but will they enclose it like the other buildings? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrocoasterkid Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 30 minutes ago, calakapepe said: Which is what i said. "I'd be surprised if that has never happened" even thinking specifically of magenta lizard who isnt "strangely tall" even. (If I recall) I said I would be surprised if there was NOT a case of a tall person smacking a supposedly clear area... Apologies, I misread what you said a few times! But I think my point is still valid in that clearly MF had some issues, and that it doesn't even take a tall person on Beast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenban Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 24 minutes ago, johnaalexis said: Anyone know what the regulation for clerance is? I'm just wondering where the line of too close is. Trying to google it but it's not turning up much. You will have a difficult time finding anything. Almost everything related to theme parks is regulated at the state level. So it ranges from states where almost anything goes to states which have very strict set in stone rules. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnaalexis Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 You will have a difficult time finding anything. Almost everything related to theme parks is regulated at the state level. So it ranges from states where almost anything goes to states which have very strict set in stone rules. I assumed, I was just trying to find ohios lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 As of the writing of this post, the Ohio Department of Agriculture is responsible for approving the operation of amusement rides in Ohio. Because I don't want this post to be cited as a definitive source of information in school papers, news articles, or court proceedings, I'm not going to say anything more than that. If you're curious about the regulations concerning ride clearances, I'd start there. You may be surprised by what you find online. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsMills79 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 8 hours ago, johnaalexis said: Anyone know what the regulation for clerance is? I'm just wondering where the line of too close is. Trying to google it but it's not turning up much. Not exactly what you are looking for but Google images turned up a few examples of clearance testing MF back in 2000(??) and Seaworld's Manta more recent. I guess each park (or manufacturer) has their own method. Source:... http://www.coasterbuzz.com/CoasterPhotoPhotoImage/200 http://www.themeparkreview.com/parks/photo.php?pageid=204&linkid=4696 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnaalexis Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 2 hours ago, TombRaiderFTW said: As of the writing of this post, the Ohio Department of Agriculture is responsible for approving the operation of amusement rides in Ohio. Because I don't want this post to be cited as a definitive source of information in school papers, news articles, or court proceedings, I'm not going to say anything more than that. If you're curious about the regulations concerning ride clearances, I'd start there. You may be surprised by what you find online. I found what seemes to be just the recorded of some amusement park regulations but nothing on clearences in that. I'll keep digging and if I find anything I'll post. Thanks!! 53 minutes ago, KingsMills79 said: Not exactly what you are looking for but Google images turned up a few examples of clearance testing MF back in 2000(??) and Seaworld's Manta more recent. I guess each park (or manufacturer) has their own method. Source:...themeparkreview, coasterbuzz and guidetothepoint Awesome! Thanks! I wad just curious if their was like a number, say "There must be a clearance of X number of feet at all times." I'm still looking into it but I haven't ound anything yet! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnaalexis Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 So far.... to answer my own question.... Also, not sure if this is 100% accurate but it has come from good sources and I found the same information on other sources. - The clearance envelope (the area around you that should be open/free from obstruction) is based on several factors - - The Train/Car, the appropriate size of riders, and the reach of the average rider (reach envelope, I've seen it called) - They use a scale to determine the average rider, and their reach then add 3 inches to their reach. - I don't have the full book but, I found some articles an PDF's of Standards set by ASTM International and it says " 6.6.1 Amusement rides and devices shall be designed to provide a patron clearance envelope adequate to minimize the opportunity for contact between the patron and other objects where said contact is likely to cause injury. " and then goes on to say " 6.6.3 The designer/engineer shall determine the shape and size of the required patron clearance envelope based on the appropriate patron model, the patron reach envelope, and the design of the patron containment system, if any. The minimum patron model shall be based on Dreyfuss Human Scale 4/5/6 (1), 7/8/9 (2), SAE J833, or CDC 95th percentile, with an additional (extended) arm and leg reach of 3 in..." ". These are from the 2015 standards. I couldn't find anything more current. - So, if someone is outside of the average then it would make sense if the could or couldn't touch parts of the ride they shouldn't. This may have been the case on Millenium Force like in the previouly posted picture. Now, it got me curious about The Beast conundrum I don't have an answer for that. I have found some speculation about it but not anything significant. Some say it was before the current safety standards so they did it differently, but I can't say one way or another and I'm not going to eve try lol. SO...... Basically it seems to me that they have a number for the reach of the average rider and then add 3 inches and that the clearance. Ps. Tell me if I'm wayyyy wrong lol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenageninja Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I was going to mention that I assumed they were using the 95th percentile of humans in some way, but wasn't sure what it was. I also assume that the restraint systems are built based on the 95th percentile of humans as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xdog42 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 For The Beast tunnel, I feel like the should increase the height. People are going to put their hands up even if the ride tells them not (TTD for ex). I think it's best just to make the helix tunnel higher just to boost safety Because at the speed you going I think it would be possible to get a broken hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta Lizard Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 ^wider, not taller. But I wouldn't advocate for that, personally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calakapepe Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I mean, technically, on almost any woodie with rails, you could touch the railing at almost any point in the ride if you chose to 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterOhio Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 11 hours ago, calakapepe said: Which is what i said. "I'd be surprised if that has never happened" even thinking specifically of magenta lizard who isnt "strangely tall" even. (If I recall) I said I would be surprised if there was NOT a case of a tall person smacking a supposedly clear area... I'm only 5'10, and if I put my hands up, I can probably easily hit the top of the helix tunnel. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, CoasterOhio said: I'm only 5'10, and if I put my hands up, I can probably easily hit the top of the helix tunnel. I'm 6 foot and that doesn't happen to me 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Meyer Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Not to get off topic here, but have the trains arrived for Mystic Timbers yet? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calakapepe Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 https://twitter.com/KingsIslandPR/status/834132541674242048 According to this Feb 21 reply... there's a good chance they've at least partially arrived. Though a tweet a little later says no date has been finalized soo... One cant say for sure... yet 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta Lizard Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 I'd be extremely surprised if our favorite PR guy didn't post to Twitter, Instagram, maybe Facebook and Snapchat too, once they arrive. I'm so excited to see them and soon to ride in them! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Meyer Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 ^ Where's Charlie Brown when you need him? Good Grief! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver2005 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Alas, KI will finally be a home for the greatest wooden coaster trains ever. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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