Maverick44 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Why don't they book or attempt to book other summer concerts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ding Dong Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, chugh43 said: Or you should just go when it's open I've gotten drinks from there many a times. Just like WindSeeker, I am resigned to the probability it will just never happen. @Maverick44 becuase there is no profit in booking non-Christian artists anymore.  Can you name some other regional parks that book rock/pop acts?  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VortexBFForever Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 ^Darien Lake in upstate New York had Pentatonix perform there last summer. I don't know if Darien Lake is classified as regional park, but it's close (it's definitely more than a local park). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick44 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 How is there not a profit from just having things booked there. Maybe it doesn't need to be a concert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ding Dong Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 2 hours ago, VortexBFForever said: ^Darien Lake in upstate New York had Pentatonix perform there last summer. I don't know if Darien Lake is classified as regional park, but it's close (it's definitely more than a local park). So I just asked my wife about Pentantonix who just happened to be visiting with her RCA rep at the Sony building in NYC this morning.  They are a very niche act, like Christian groups, that can draw a crowd to the park that might not normally attend.  They do very well and by the nature of their act their shows are not very expensive to produce.  In addition the non-discounted gate price at Darian is substantially less than KI making the total cost for someone to attend much less.   In short, niche groups with dedicated followings can succeed at a park but getting someone to pay $50 or more for a concert ticket plus park admission is difficult and carries high risk for the park and promoters. Concerts are no longer âpromotional toursâ for an album like they were before the digital age.  They have to make money.  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver2005 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 37 minutes ago, Maverick44 said: How is there not a profit from just having things booked there. Maybe it doesn't need to be a concert. Because the bigger acts want some pretty big cuts. For example, I hear Riverbend loses money on Jimmy Buffett concerts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannersdaddy Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, silver2005 said: Because the bigger acts want some pretty big cuts. For example, I hear Riverbend loses money on Jimmy Buffett concerts. I would figure they could come out ahead on margarita sales. LOL  1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick44 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I mean why can't they use it for more then just concerts. I mean what about a show that KI puts on that BIG and maybe only happens once a month. Idk I am just spit balling here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ding Dong Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Like what? Â A Cat Show? Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannersdaddy Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Here's an idea for a Skyride location. Start at Timberwolf, will have to make a few transitions to cross some areas and not conflict with anything currently there, and end of the Crypt building. It may need a second story entrance/exit at the box to clear Beast and Vortex. Not sure how tall they go, so thinking Giga-skyride is probably out of the question.  Edit: Did not see the lower text box out of position until I posted this. It should be near the Crypt building. Sorry 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ding Dong Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Iâm sold!  Bulldoze that sucker! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver2005 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 With a little tweaking, you could just do a straight end to end route. Just move the Action Zone station a bit to the left and the Rivertown station a bit to the right.  Just enough to avoid Drop Tower and the Eiffel Tower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannersdaddy Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 I was concerned with Diamondback. Now the only other concern would be the placement of supports around Vortex, with it sinking and all. LOL  2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhimes90 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 I voted no. I wish Timberwolf would get overhauled and become a better venue like Riversbend or PNC Pavilion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 11 hours ago, King Ding Dong said: Like what?  A Cat Show?  Cats will be hard to see sitting in the back, maybe a bear show?  Why not have local talent bands, they are always looking to get their music out there and sell CD's. I still think they could have local HS bands and Choirs there on weekends. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ding Dong Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 No Big Cats, you know the kind that can jump off the stage and terrorize and maul people and get PETA to protest the park.   But bears can suffice.  Regarding local bands or HS music groups do you really think a significant crowd is going to choose that over rides?  The few minutes of darkness at the park is precious to me. If there isnât an upcharge for it then it is an expense.  Does that bring people to the park who otherwise wouldnât be there?  Do they cut the budget for the other live shows?  Maybe, but the business case just seems really thin. You just donât see parks doing this kind of thing anymore and there is a reason for that.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Maybe not a big crowd size, but it will be another free entertainment option for the "show" crowd. Either way it is better than it sitting there empty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeastFarmer Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 14 hours ago, IndyGuy4KI said: Cats will be hard to see sitting in the back, maybe a bear show?  Why not have local talent bands, they are always looking to get their music out there and sell CD's. I still think they could have local HS bands and Choirs there on weekends. Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica. There is your show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 11:18 PM, jtro223 said: Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica. There is your show. What kind of bear is best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 I didn't want to start a new thread so I'll ask here, does anyone see Congo Falls getting the axe anytime soon? I don't know how feasible relocating the ride to another section of the park is. The only true reason to close it would be if there was a better attraction to put in that area. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDMC01 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 On 5/10/2018 at 5:26 PM, VortexBFForever said: ^Darien Lake in upstate New York had Pentatonix perform there last summer. I don't know if Darien Lake is classified as regional park, but it's close (it's definitely more than a local park). Warped Tour also made a stop at Darien Lake. Though I do agree with the idea of a big show at Timberwolf (when its not being used for comcerts)- why not have a bird show like Kentucky Kingdom or the Cincinnati Zoo does? EDIT: OR, they could move the dog show to Timberwolf and expand it to feature other animals, if they so choose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 On 5/9/2018 at 11:14 PM, King Ding Dong said: I voted no becuase it is clearly still profitable to have it.  When and if it becomes not profitable or they need the space for something more profitable they can do something with it.  Like put in a Skyride station.  "Profitable" is not the question here. Everything in the developed park is profitable or else it's gone in the blink of an eye. They likely determine the future of things like this by revenue per square foot, like how retailers do it. Timberwolf makes a bang for 3 days and then is generally empty. I'm not sure how the park views it. From an outsiders standpoint it seems like they'd want to utilize it all year but they may view it as not really hurting anything and making them a fair amount of money during Spirit Song, which is why it stays. Regardless, the day will come when they see the land as being more valuable than what its being utilized and it will come day. Could be next year, could be in 50 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Remember, that they at least used to use Timerbwolf for cheer events as well.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Like the Dive-In movies at the water park during the summer, I wonder if they could show movies there on certain dates?  They would sell tons of popcorn, pop, and snacks if  nothing else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco2000 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 55 minutes ago, BoddaH1994 said: "Profitable" is not the question here. Everything in the developed park is profitable or else it's gone in the blink of an eye. They likely determine the future of things like this by revenue per square foot, like how retailers do it. Timberwolf makes a bang for 3 days and then is generally empty. I'm not sure how the park views it. From an outsiders standpoint it seems like they'd want to utilize it all year but they may view it as not really hurting anything and making them a fair amount of money during Spirit Song, which is why it stays. Regardless, the day will come when they see the land as being more valuable than what its being utilized and it will come day. Could be next year, could be in 50 years. It is used about as much as PBS for the Bengals but didn't cost as much to build or maintain Using the analogy of it's not used enough, should we tear down the stadium? Some people would say yes, although a few less today would say yes since the Bengals won yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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