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You have your answer LOL https://www.canadaswonderland.com/play/winterfest

I would be surprised if Wonderland season pass attendance percentage exceeds Kings Island season pass attendance percentage of total attendance. Past conference calls and reports have said Kings Island is a season pass park. I don't recall the same being said for Wonderland... How many other comparable amusement parks exist in Canada? I suspect they get a lot of daily admission visits from Canadians that don't want to hassle with the process of getting into the States to visit our parks (enthusiasts excluded LOL). So Wonderland has an advantage with the lack of competition compared to parks in the States... Contrast that with Americans that look at Canada as a way to visit another country cheap LOL...plus all of them wanting to leave the States LOL. Outside of Cedar Point, I know more people that visit Wonderland than the other CF parks...

It is a known fact that amusement park injuries are difficult to track and document for a variety of reasons, so it is near impossible to know for sure how many charges have been filed. See this article as to why: https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/national/broken-limbs-dislocated-knees-and-head-injuries-at-ohio-amusement-parks-are-going-unreported Let's look at the Twisted Timbers incident. According to the reports, the woman was hit in the head as a cell phone came out of someone’s pocket (maybe it was in his pocket, maybe he was recording but the phone wasn't held as evidence to know for sure). The man who owned the phone came up to her after the ride and apologized but left immediately after. According to the woman, she was not offered to go to the hospital. According to the park, she refused further medical attention and left on her own accord. Later that night the lady went to the hospital where she was diagnosed with a light concussion. She’s now claiming it’s unfair that she has to pay her bills and someone else should be responsible for the hospital payments. Now re-read above article and interpret whether the park would have to disclose to regulators the accident...See what I am getting at... As Malem pointed out, said offending patron at KD fled the scene, and sadly most incidents the offender sees someone with a busted up face isn't asking for their phone back for obvious reasons, but that dude watches the news and is provided with these updates as to what happened to this innocent victim... http://www.nbc12.com/story/38832002/cell-phones-banned-from-kings-dominion-ride-following-accident And finally, most victims prefer a settlement because they do not want to re-live their experience in a court-room setting, so they don't press charges. While the settlement may be good for the injured victim and media shy offender, the risks to the public on these types of accidents are obscured through confidentiality agreements. And that is all I can say about that... I assure you, more ridiculous things have gone to trial than something like this. All it takes is one victim to press charges on principal and I am confident the charges would stick...

I predicted this would happen in another thread...the bigger question will be with the season long add-ons like meal, drink, FunPix, etc. Will those purchased for 2019 be good for the remainder of 2018 for those taking advantage of buying a pass...

I know the laws, apparently you do not, Ohio Revised Code (ORC) Section 2903.13 Assault Section B is clear: Recklessly causing serious physical harm to another or to another’s unborn. This is known as “simple assault,” and it is the least serious assault charge. Ohio law does not require that you even try to hurt someone to be charged with assault. Furthermore, you do not have to intend harm or even cause harm in order to face criminal charges of assault. So yes, an assault charge can be levied on an individual, even more so considering there is already Ohio Revised Code (ORC) Section 1711.551 requiring riders to obey all warning and directions regarding riding a ride which the person would have already violated, so an assault charge is a simple add-on charge at that point... People really do not realize the legal and financial severity of such a simple act as having a phone out on a ride...it's all fun and games until someone gets seriously injured, then the reality of the action becomes apparent (provided the park doesn't simply hand the phone back to offender and fails to get a name)...

^Exactly! Countless people drive home drunk without incident, does that mean we shouldn't try to prevent that from happening? I am sure the guy at Universal that lost an eye and the girl on Kings Dominion hospitalized with a concussion and laceration on her forehead needing stitches wishes the park had done something prior to their injuries! And all the countless other injuries both reported and not reported from flying phones... Universal now has metal detectors at their roller coasters for a reason...wonder what the reason was???? What will be the change at KI once something happens here????

I suspect they simply handed the phone back to the person that lost it- an assault charge would have had a court hearing and the victimized member would have had to testify and the victim would know the resolution...

^Did the member file a police report against the violator for assault?

No, I think make Murray the poster boy, but I am not in position to make that call for the park. It would be a lot easier if everything was black/white, but our society is not wired that way. The admission ticket clearly says no rainchecks, yet we know from time to time they will offer them as goodwill. The policy's clearly state no recording on-ride and yet we have yet to hear of that actually being enforced. Look at the situation at Kings Dominion - the poor girl needed stitches in her forehead, and the violator's cellphone was simply handed back to him and off he went without providing his name or any consequence for his action... I agree with you, but I am also pointing out that park management does (or should) look at all the variables in deciding what to do...and for the poor person that is the victim of a flying cellphone, it is unfortunate more isn't/wasn't done...but until the financial penalty to the park exceeds whatever they deem would be the cost of enforcing said rule, we will continue to see these videos posted, unfortunately... As Magenta Lizard openly suggests in response to other complaints on this forum, until guests go to the proper forum/channel and go to guest services and file complaints against the Andy Murray videos, or any other videos, the park will use the data they have to make a decision. Maybe if they got hundreds of complaints a week form guests expressing they feared for their life or face because someone in front of them on said coaster had a phone out and complain the park is not effectively enforcing such policy, the park would have additional data points to work from in making a decision... Did the member of this forum that got hit with a phone file a formal complaint at guest services?

It is easy for us to be armchair quarterbacks (or in this case KI GM lol), and as I posted earlier, I think this would be a perfect opportunity for the park to make a point with a high profile person that I doubt will ever want to visit KI again anyway based on his reaction, but these things are unfortunately touchy guest relations areas and KI and CF are hopefully weighing the benefits/disadvantages of doing more versus doing nothing else. Would making him the poster boy for what not to do be a costly mistake with little to no benefit or would it have meaningful impact and result in a major decline in this type of activity? Nobody knows for sure. It is easy to sit here and say throw the book at him... It would be interesting to hear if Kentucky Kingdom, after their ban of a season pass holder for having a phone out on a ride, had any impact good or bad on their attendance or adherence to such policy...

Be ready to get attacked by those on here that will tell you that you should have read the fine print and the FAQs, etc. on the meal plan that options and locations are subject to change, blah blah blah... (cross-referencing the thread where BoddaH got attacked for his post about the drink plan...) All kidding aside, it does suck that the options change this late in the season...and clearly after purchase...but the fine print allows it....

From the same station that brought you the Son of Beast speculation... https://www.wcpo.com/entertainment/local-a-e/western-southern-open-tennis-stars-cut-loose-at-kings-island Sadly no mention the videos are illegal....

If they wanted to make a point, they would issue a statement saying Andy Murray has been permanently banned from CF parks for his apparent disregard to rules and safety of others and reiterate that all guests are subject to such ban...

Keep in mind he wasn't the only tennis player that posted on ride video...

Well it would be interesting to know if all that happened was the individual lost their phone, or were they able to pick it at lost and found, were they ticketed and/or banned from park, and were they responsible for any expenses incurred by victim...

And what happened to the owner of said phone?

This is being discussed under the "Other Amusement Parks & Industry News", but I do think it was appropriate to open up a new thread in the KI section as I suspect a fair amount probably don't venture into topics not related to Kings Island, and this is related to Kings Island more than Kings Dominion! As I said over in that thread, these high profile personality posts have certainly now put Cedar Fair in a predicament...If KI asked for them to removed and they are mocked and nothing further happens, this just opens the door wide-open to allowing this activity to happen. If KI goes to Mason police with said post and asks for a misdemeanor charge and Mason police pull the ole "we are too busy to deal with that" or the "if we didn't see it, we can't ticket it", such activity will continue to happen. If KI goes to Instagram or YouTube or Facebook or wherever the video is shown and reports the post as illegal and they do nothing about it, then it will continue to happen. Might as well remove the signs and allow it to happen at that point - if it is a policy that cannot be enforced and has no consequences for getting caught, then what is the point? And to those thinking the signs limit KI's exposure if something happens - nope - having all the signage in the world stating it is illegal means nothing in the legal system if an incident were to occur with a flying phone. Sad thing is I suspect these tennis players were provided free entry to the park and a KI staffer probably walked them up the exit to ride each ride being a VIP and all...Nice way for these millionaires that can afford to pay to say thanks to the park!

These high profile posts have certainly now put Cedar Fair in a predicament...If KI asked for them to removed and they are mocked and nothing further happens, this just opens the door wide-open to allowing this activity to happen. If they go to Mason police with said post and ask for a misdemeanor charge and Mason police pull the ole "we are too busy to deal with that" or the "if we didn't see it, we can't ticket it", such activity will continue to happen. If they go to Instagram or YouTube or Facebook or wherever the video is shown and report the post as illegal and they do nothing about it, then it will continue to happen. Might as well remove the signs and allow it to happen at that point - if it is a policy that cannot be enforced and has no consequences for getting caught, then what is the point? Sad thing is I suspect these tennis players were provided free entry to the park and a staffer walked them up the exit to ride each ride...Nice way for these millionaires that can afford to pay to say thanks to the park!

So very true! I have learned to be happy with any new attraction as it will help spread the crowds around, even if it is something I don't like lol!

It was probably just someone's ride op friend messing with us All joking aside - wow there are a lot of random Son of Beast things popping up - are the enthusiasts being set up for major disappointment or major excitement....

^they will now lol

So twice this week I witnessed guests that seemingly had purchased the drink plan that day and found out when trying to obtain drinks that there is indeed a waiting period. I felt for the poor cashiers that simply had to say go to guest services. I saw both guests go off on the helpless cashier demanding refunds that we know they cannot provide. Compounding the issue with one guest, apparently he intended to purchase the all day dining plan and was sold the season long meal plan and was absolutely livid when he tried to redeem a meal 90 minutes later and was told it was a 4 hour window for the meal plan he had and only gets two meals. Again, he demanded a refund that the cashier could not provide. I would assume in that situation guest services took care of the meal plan situation, but I doubt refunds were given for the drink plan. Some of the issue was consumer error, but nonetheless, I first hand witnessed two incidents just this week of the issue BoddaH pointed out and both guests in their rants were completely trashing the park and its policies and overall perception of the park and adamant they would not return. Now we know that the park cannot make everyone happy and some will complain just for the sake of complaining, but it is a good business practice to try to mitigate said issues before they arise. I would suspect this situation happens more often than we see.

Yeah, the explanation is likely and I am not picking on FYE; I am just trying to figure out when a member is going to be pressed for a source and when they aren't lol. For the record, I do think the wood and flower is a great addition, but do ride ops have permission to simply change theming without getting approval? But I think we already know that answer - just listen to all the ride op spiels referencing wrong rides and wrong parks, etc. lol.

I am not questioning about the wood being there, that I have seen as well as many others. I think when people are speculating it is a clue for the next attraction and someone simply discounts it as "my ride op friend told me he put it there" and doesn't name the person, the who at that point does matter. How do we know it wasn't some 19 year old ride op taking credit for it that didn't do it? How do we know he wasn't asked to put it there by management as a clue? What if the poster said a ride op told him it was a clue? What if the poster simply made it up? At what point does the who matter? I have seen people be pressed for a named source for far less statements... I thought I remember seeing a "litmus test" of sorts that someone posted once that said if naming the source could get the person fired, then it is best to not mention what they told you. Could the ride op get fired for being in a restricted area and taking wood pieces and creating this little homage to SOB and changing the theming aspect of the ride without permission? After all, this goes against darn near EVERYONE that wants to discount these clues by stating KI would never resurrect/celebrate a dark part of their history? What if I said my friend in management told me he intentionally placed it there as a clue - would I not be pressed for the name of the source? What if I said that my friend in corporate told me last year that our next coaster is a giga - would I not be pressed for the name of the source? What if I said it was my ride op friend that shoveled giga in the snow in the restricted area as a joke - would I not be pressed for a name? What if I said it was management as a clue? Would it matter then? Or is "my employee friend" the new version of the dipping dots guy? TLDR: I think the who matters when subject matter is part of current attraction speculation...

Little do people know all the Son of Beast references are for Steel Vengeance https://articles-mlive-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/articles.mlive.com/travel/index.ssf/2018/08/tire_accident_causes_cedar_poi.amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s