disco2000

In front of KillMart

Could the first 2 iterations have lasted longer had there been more rides.... My understanding is the 1st iteration attendance dropped every year to the point it wasn't worth doing. We all know why the 2nd iteration happened... I totally get the seasonal atmosphere and all that jazz, but people can get that from other places as well. Sure people would still want the event and a certain percentage would show up regardless (meal and drink plans LOL), but if next year they announced no rides, watch what happens to attendance. People think rides with KI. If rides were not important, they wouldn't be adding rides to the event.

I bet if rides didn't matter and they ran nothing, Winterfest would disappear. There is a reason they are adding rides to the lineup....

Like Family Feud, 100 people surveyed and the top answers were:

Sadly we have seen this trend coming for years, the "bait and switch" of the Prestige pass, etc. They get by on the fine print and caveat emptor.... Speaking of, have you been following the fiasco at Wonderland with their passes? They have many levels and had a regular pass that went on sale with the other passes in August for 2025. A little over two months later, they decided to eliminate the regular pass. They then moved everyone that had bought the regular pass (and the associated add-ons) prior to 11/8 up to gold free of charge and it became valid for WF 2024, including the freely upgraded add-ons. The Gold passholders are livid. They spent a lot more money for the gold and add-ons than they would have spent by buying a regular pass that then got a free gold upgrade. Passholders flooded Wonderland with complaints and requests for a refund of the difference between what they paid for the gold and add-ons and what the regular and add-ons sold for. They were told tough luck.... Now they have decided that IF, and only IF, you submit a complaint in writing, they will give you a BAF. But they are not offering that to everyone, only those that complain.

Isn't it sad that the level of trust is so eroded that you have to send an email asking this....

Scene75 type attraction in the KillMart building

Parks not mentioned in the press release are subject to closure

Didn't the current park GM call Orion a family thrill ride lol

Prestige pass holders are used to having things removed they paid for. Caveat Emptor

According to the website, FL is coming to Winterfest. But probably an oversight (or typical lack of review), it says season long not valid for Winterfest in the fine print, yet says it is valid every visit. Or maybe it is intentional and season long FL isn't valid because they already got your money....

And people complain about KI PR/marketing....

I was cross-threading a joke LOL

They are only available to 2025 pass holders

And people think our marketing is poor.....

Pre or post desert add-on charge

You haven't yet anyway LOL. Many end up renewing once the new season starts. Let's check back in a year, or six months LOL.

As I have said before, at the end of the day, problems and all with the current direction the chain is going in, a season pass and add-ons still represents a tremendous value for the entertainment dollar and hard to beat on any other entertainment venue in a cost/hour comparison. Go to almost any restaurant outside of KI and try to spend less in a week on 2 meals per day than the meal plan for the whole season costs! Sadly, that also means the parks are given a lot of leeway before someone says that they are not going to renew and actually doesn't renew. We see posts here and on social media every year that people are adamant they are not going to renew...and not only do they end up renewing, they end up buying add-ons as well....and the cycle repeats... Until attendance and revenue take a big enough hit that they cannot attribute the decline due to weather, this is the new norm.... As someone here once said, they already have your money....

They have been playing that in Coney during the day of the past several Haunt seasons.

Nope - many passholders do not even have physical cards

No chance for a last minute buyer... https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/butler-county/west-chester/hindu-worship-center-to-take-over-entertrainment-junction-space-next-spring

But they aren't on the drink plan....

As terpy used to say "they already have your money" I bet you can buy some at Starbucks....

I know many people that say the same thing, yet most end up going again and complain, yet continue to go. Some have held their ground and have quit going. But they are in clear minority as people keep showing up. I often ask myself every year for the past several years if this is that year that ticks off enough people that the chain sees an attendance drop the following year, and every year they have record attendance or revenue and that makes it difficult for a publicly traded company to care about the little things that run people away because people still show up.