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You cannot use them on any Saturday. You can use them on any Sunday except for 9/3. You can only get one per visit, so you would have to come 5 times in order to receive all 5.

They haven't thought that far ahead and will see this thread and be like whoops lol Or maybe ERT is a thing of the past?

Budget cuts LOL

You sure it isn't December 31, 2023

Packing up Grand and bringing in Winterfest floats lol

Word on the midway is the Lounge will have hot chocolate for Winterfest, but given they took away stuff in writing, I wouldn't hold my breath on a verbal lol

Just heard a guest say that the Snoopy Soap Box Racers is already built they just aren't running it until next year LOL

Word on the midway is that the Lounge is out of ice and the cooler is now a warmer Get your warm water before they find the ice lol

Meanwhile some bean counter is sitting in Sandusky, or Charlotte, and seeing the queue wait time and says "See we don't need big productions for new announcements - just throw it on social media and the demand will be there"

Despite the parks staggering their sale dates and despite folks thinking KI PR does a poor job, many are experiencing waits when renewing and buying passes. For kicks I clicked buy now and it put me in a waiting line portal. So either there is still an incredible demand despite the limited PR for the park or the system can only handle like 2 people purchasing at a time LOL

Exactly. I think they feel they will sell more Prestige as many people will assume that is the new platinum....and then someone next year will make a trip away from their home park and find that isn't the case and they will have to fork out money for the passport LOL. Here is the reality of the Prestige: Preferred parking is not a guarantee - you could go on a day that it is full like a busy Saturday. Could be an even bigger possibility with more Prestige being sold. Preferred Entrance is bogus. Go up to the park between 10-12 when that line is available and Guest Services is waving people over to that line that are not Prestige holders. It is not uncommon to see Prestige holders get thru that line slower than the regular line as it always seems people that are waved into that line are first-timers and start asking the attendant questions. Many have gone in to complain and Guest Services said their policy is if nobody is in line, they will wave people in. Someone that has gone in to complain several times about this sarcastically asked Guest Services when are they going to start waving people in to the VIP if it is empty as that is the same concept LOL. Valid point! VIP Lounge - subject to hours. Right now closes an hour early and last year closed at 8pm on Haunt nights. Cooler water - you get to enjoy ice chilled cooler water where there is no sink available for the attendant to wash their hands prior to filling with ice. Not that it matters much because they simply drop the bag on the ground to break up the ice and then because of the awkward design, said bag inadvertently goes into the cooler and thus providing minerals to the water LOL. And oh yea, some days you get infused lemon and lime water. 15% off stuff - at 3 times the amount of Gold pass, you must buy a lot of stuff to make that economically work LOL. Two bring a friend - you are paying for that. Many don't even use that benefit. What is the cheapest you could pay for two people to get in - cheaper than 3X gold pass price LOL. Single use FL - that can have some value and now that they have kiosks available to purchase, you see that could be anywhere from $5 to $20 depending on how busy the park is. It seems most don't really care about this perk as everyday there are FB posts where people hid their to give away to the first person that finds it. Enhanced Pass Perks - nobody has seen anything yet. Well some got an extra % off a meal LOL. But there are people that even with these issues, it still is a benefit and they will renew. For example, someone that only has an hour or two to go to the park, this one time FL is a better deal than the all season FL for that person.

And if Aerial Chase is getting repainted....let's remind everyone when it was last repainted... Kinda seems like another short-sided decision to repaint so soon when other rides need a paint job and painting coasters isn't cheap. What else could have been done by not repainting the same ride less than 2 years apart?

So is Flying Ace getting repainted so soon to this dark support and green track? Interesting that they already added the new ride to the rides section of the website as if it is already here LOL

Don't forget all the disappointment that the Antique Cars was not SOB2 LOL.

You hit the enthusiast overboard stage during the Orion announcement season

Clearly you spoke with your wallet. Good for you. Yet you stick around here instead of completely cutting ties... Have you not picked up a new hobby or something for entertainment you can move on to? Are you upset that nobody followed your lead and/or are you jaded you are missing out on the fun at the park? For others, at the end of the day, it comes down to the complaints are really constructive criticism to try to ensure the park reaches it potential. Sadly you don't see it as that. You chose to speak with your wallet while others choose to be honest on guest surveys and feedback to guest services in hopes it improves and they receive what they were advertised to receive. Then they go to social media to voice it as well. It is the new norm... Some are loyal to a fault or haven't reached the "speak with your wallet" stage yet. Just like many people purchase a certain brand vehicle that can't make it past X-thousand miles yet they remain loyal to the brand and buy a new one that poops out by X-thousand miles. And like I said, warts and all, the entertainment value per dollar spent spread out over a season cannot be beat and that is a great motivator for many people to keep coming back. Where else can you get fed two meals per day all summer for the price of the season long meal plan? Heck a Disney daily plan is almost as expensive as an all-season at KI. About the only thing cheaper for entertainment is to be a keyboard troll on others that still see value out of the pass even with the shortcomings... Unlike FB, the members here know this site isn't owned by the park, so most here have expressed their concerns at guest services, but also comment here. They "screw" over enough people that speak with their wallet and then bye-bye park. And that my friend is why we provide constructive criticism.... Look. at the end of the day, we all recognize they are a business, and not only the park, but many purchases in life have the ability to change the terms of service or conditions at any time. It is a way of life. We either accept that as a possibility or we go without lots of things like mobile phones, cable tv, or basically anything that is a contract... If nobody accepted that as a possibility, they wouldn't sell so many passes. But at the same time, the volume of passes sold should also mean that they try to uphold their end of the deal.

Um, we already have them... https://cedarfairgiftcards.com/

FoF is two train operation today - on a very very light crowd day...lending towards the belief that one train ops on a busy Saturday was due to an issue with a train...

Yeah but people get their 15 minutes of fame and likes on social media that they don't get if they inform the park directly lol. And look how many think that FB site is affiliated with KI lol

True, but at some parks in the chain, the ERT rides promised were rarely/never opened during ERT and a certain park up north would simply switch out ERT rides after purchases were made. Granted they are within their "subject to change" rights to make these changes, but it still leaves a bad taste - especially if it was simply they didn't want to staff it. Same with the budget cuts reducing rides. There are plenty of passholders that their use of the pass is go up the first two hours of park open or come for the last two hours of park open. Just like there are plenty of passholders that NEVER take advantage of ERT and could care less what is happening with that benefit. When they purchased said pass, it was implied that all rides would be open (subject to mechanical or weather issues), and cutting them strictly due to budget concerns after they have your money leaves a sour taste. Depending on the makeup of a family and their ride preferences, opening select rides later or closing earlier could be more than a minor inconvenience for the said family - maybe those are the only rides the kids in the family ride and now they are either not open or only open half the time they are there.

There you admitted you have been out of the game and have no skin in this fight, so move out of the way to those that are currently suffering LOL. You have spoken with your wallet and haven't had a pass in who knows how long...you don't think things have got worse? Since you are not an active passholder going thru these issues, your opinion doesn't carry the same weight as those that are. The fact that they don't offer refunds is evident in now you can buy "refund insurance" on your ticket and add-ons....why would they go thru that effort of negotiating a package with a 3rd party if their policy was to willy-nilly pass out refunds. I find it hard to believe that you have been issued refunds from KI. I was with my friend's family on two of the times they calmly stated their case and ....well what does it matter you wouldn't believe me anyway...but let's just say it was a very convincing argument backed with receipts and doctors notes and tests. @jdf21972- how often does the park offer refunds? I know based on social media posts, it doesn't happen often. We see way more post of people saying they were told No Refunds. Unfortunately, warts and all, the season pass is still an incredible value and hard to beat on cost/hr of entertainment value. As an example, people spend 4 times the amount of a gold pass per month for the privilege to belong to country club. Heck some swim clubs monthly dues are the price of a gold pass. But just because it is an incredible value doesn't mean that folks should accept being sold one thing and being provided another. The park is selling a product with advertised benefits and when said benefits are taken away, the criticism is valid.

Like buying a new car and only getting 3 tires LOL

My friends did go to Guest Services and did plea their cases and was told sorry No Refunds. They even asked to not be refunded the entire pass, just refund the difference between Prestige and Platinum and revert them back to Platinum and were told NO. They tried it on several occasions - within weeks after the bottled drinks were removed, once at the end of last season, and then again this season. All three attempts a hard NO REFUNDS was the answer. And these are real situations and very good friends of mine that this whole thing has left such a bad taste in their mouth, that they are taking their discretionary income elsewhere next year.. Between the two families, that is over $10K in passes and add-ons not being renewed... But sure assume I made it up.... There were people that were impacted by the 8pm closes based on being college students going back home for the summer and planned to get a lot of use out of it before they went back home, along with people complaining about the chaperone policy and they now couldn't drop their misfits off after 4pm without a parent - and from best I can tell in all cases they were told sorry no refunds. Nobody I know that complained got a refund. Maybe someone somewhere did, but they are very stingy with that. Usually only a death IF the person didn't use the pass... Um no if you have season long FL you are guaranteed a wristband regardless of how busy or what time you show up.... Um yeah I had to buy a new TV when all of a sudden I needed an ugly converter box that had no place to go with a mounted TV without looking stupid. I guess I didn't have to buy a new TV and could have left it looking like crap LOL. There was a period of time in this transition period of analog to digital where a lot of people got screwed over if they bought a TV during that period. Even today with brand new TVs you cannot take cable coax and connect to the TV directly - you need a stupid cable box that wasn't needed previously. I am just pointing out the fallacy of your argument regarding the TV analogy brought up. What you can dish it out but can't take it Like I said, you apparently are someone that just rolls with the changes and do not care that you are not getting what you paid for. Good for you. You are the pass holder CF likes because they can eliminate everything and you will continue to open your wallet without complaining....

OK - let's go with the season pass since that is what you are harping on. Dates have changed after the calendar has been posted and passes were bought. Hours have changed since the calendar was posted and passes were bought. You know the early closes due to "weather". Last year they made changes from 10pm closes to 8pm in May. I know people with handicap plates that bought Prestige just so they could show up later since the handicap lot fills quickly and the preferred is basically at the same general location (just other side of walkway). I know people with allergies to the dyes in drinks so they cannot even get water from the Coke machine since they share a drink with the water dispenser. They would buy bottled water and essentially decided to go with Prestige as essentially their bottled water drink plan. In both of these instances - these were not pass add-ons but were integral to the actual Prestige pass itself that were removed after purchase. Ok, so you didn't like his TV metaphor and you brought up a smart TV function as "add-ons" that if you found critical to finding value in the purchase, you would have been a fool to have agreed to the purchase - well to many people the add-ons are critical to finding value in the season pass purchase. Plus they paid for the add-ons. If you bought season long FL and then they said your ability to obtain the wristband was subject to availability after your purchased it, you would just roll with it and be like all good since I attend so much? So I guess you were ok when you needed to either get a new TV or get a converter box when the OTA signals went digital? Or needed to add a Spectrum box when they changed their signal and you couldn't use the digital tuner in the TV? Obviously this hasn't impacted you or you just operate at a different level than the average consumer, but these are real issues that are blasted about all over social media. Or maybe you just roll with the changes and keyboard warrior those that actually expect to get what they paid for Let's look at another electronic - many people have purchased Arlo security cameras as they are quick and easy to put up. They recently changed their terms and conditions - many purchased it with the expectation that these functions were part of the system "But on January 1st, 2024, the company’s killing that feature for many Arlo cams — and reserving the right to eliminate all cloud functionality, including email alerts, push notifications, and other “bundled services or features,” for any camera that hasn’t been manufactured for four years." Or what about Ring that did something similar. Many people purchased their alarm system because it provided the ability to arm and disarm the alarm from the app. They just changed their ToS as well: "Starting March 29, 2023, a Ring Protect subscription is required to access Ring Alarm in-app features in the US and Canada, including digital notifications and the ability to Arm and Disarm from your app." So now something someone got free as part of their initial purchase now has a $200 annual fee if they want to continue using it in the same manner at which they were promised it would work at initial purchase and did work that way until March. Or what about car manufactures going to a subscription model for things like the ability to use the already installed heated seats in your car? Are you ok paying $18/month for the right to use the heated seats in your car? I guess in all of these examples, you are ok with just opening up your wallet and giving them more money for items you already purchased

I always assumed that the free FL at renewal was a loss leader to try to convince the buyer that "hey FL is kinda convenient" and would lead to either a season-long FL add-on or a purchase of a FL one or more times the following year. Given the "investment" into the kiosks that allow anyone in the park the ability to purchase a single use FL, I suspect that is the same intent here is to drive sales on those kiosks, as well as maybe convert a few to Prestige passes.