Losantiville Mining Co. Posted November 7, 2025 Posted November 7, 2025 They mentioned continued divestment from "non-core" parks and even closure for others, but how far can that realistically go before they hit an even lower rock bottom? Private equity has been ravaging United Parks so I don't really think they'd be doing much better right now if the purchase would've gone through. At what point could splitting/un-merging the company be a realistic option? I've said before that I think they should split into three companies in an effort to better weather the coming storm, but I hope it doesn't have to come to that so soon. I'm wondering more and more every day about how well smaller park companies would do right now. As of the most recent TEA attendance report I believe the SF parks in the top 20 were Knott's Berry Farm, Cedar Point, Kings Island, Magic Mountain, Canada's Wonderland, and Illinois' Great America. That would probably be a good place to start when wondering which parks might be in the top tier for Six Flags. 1 Quote
DonHelbig Posted November 7, 2025 Posted November 7, 2025 Here’s a piece I wrote for the Sandusky Register. It won’t win a Pulitzer but I think it captures the spirit of the thing. https://sanduskyregister.com/news/667144/cedar-point-parent-co-considering-park-sales/ 4 Quote
IndyGuy4KI Posted November 8, 2025 Author Posted November 8, 2025 19 hours ago, DonHelbig said: Here’s a piece I wrote for the Sandusky Register. It won’t win a Pulitzer but I think it captures the spirit of the thing. https://sanduskyregister.com/news/667144/cedar-point-parent-co-considering-park-sales/ Nice article, Don. 2 Quote
jzarley Posted November 10, 2025 Posted November 10, 2025 On 11/7/2025 at 4:05 PM, Losantiville Mining Co. said: Private equity has been ravaging United Parks so I don't really think they'd be doing much better right now if the purchase would've gone through. True, but my hope would have been that they would have spun off the new company (the combined SEA/FUN) into a new IPO that may have gotten Scott Ross & Hill Path to take the profits and exit. (I realize that may just be wishful thinking…) To be honest, I’m really surprised Hill Path didn’t cash out a long time ago—they bought most of their shares in the sub $20 price point and the stock now routinely (for a few years now) trades in the plus $50 range (and a few brief times in the +$60 range). I would have thought the fund investors would have wanted to take their profits and cash out a while ago. 2 Quote
Outdoor Man Posted November 10, 2025 Posted November 10, 2025 They could make a dent in the debt load if they were able to offload 3-4 "non-core" parks in a package. It may take inclusion of a marquee "core" park to sweeten the deal and bump the price though. 1 Quote
BeeastFarmer Posted November 11, 2025 Posted November 11, 2025 They were mislead? I get that investors aren't necessarily park specialists, but anyone with any exposure to legacy Six Flags knows how they had deferred maintenance, underinvestment and slashed staffing to the bone leading up to the announcement of the merger. The more this shakes out, the more it smells. Meanwhile, the "architects" of the merger will collect their golden parachute. If the company survives, they can make their money after the stock rebounds after this great reset. If the company doesn't survive, as we know it, I hope these folks loose what equity they have built up in the stock. Lawsuit: Six Flags misled investors about park conditions before merger with Cedar Fair - cleveland.com https://share.google/gifvfcjHO2tGGeMCH 2 Quote
KI Guy Posted November 11, 2025 Posted November 11, 2025 To give you all an idea as to how poorly the company is doing right now... In 2006 Cedar Fair bought Paramount Parks for $1.24 billion which equates to roughly $1.98 billion today. That was just 5 full parks plus 3 small properties. Today all of Six Flags 24 full parks plus water parks and small properties is worth just $1.66 billion per their market capitalization. They are really in the position to be taken over by someone or some group (private equity ) with deep pockets. 1 Quote
ReedObsessor Posted November 11, 2025 Posted November 11, 2025 If it goes private, things will be even worse than legacy Six Flags could do. Wikipedia has a list of companies that went bankrupt under private equity ownership, and I know there's at least one example (Chuck E Cheese) missing from the list. If Six Flags is acquired by private equity, expect a lot more downgrades to the parks, and an even worse debt load. Quote
KI Guy Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 On 11/11/2025 at 12:51 PM, ReedObsessor said: If it goes private, things will be even worse than legacy Six Flags could do. We can't say will, since that would depend entirely on who the buyer is. A Six Flags acquired as an intact chain could end up being worse than legacy Six Flags ownership. If that does end up being the case you can know ahead of time that that ownership or the business itself will not last long at all if ran like that. It's barely lasting as it is. 1 Quote
DonHelbig Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 What could have been and maybe what should have been. https://themeparksbydon.com/cedar-fair-seaworld-merger-story/ 5 Quote
Losantiville Mining Co. Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 2 hours ago, KI Guy said: We can't say will, since that would depend entirely on who the buyer is. A Six Flags acquired as an intact chain could end up being worse than legacy Six Flags ownership. If that does end up being the case you can know ahead of time that that ownership or the business itself will not last long at all if ran like that. For now I think we can just hope that the efforts from the portfolio optimization and some good boosts from improvements to core parks will help Six Flags in the long run. If the chain does indeed get itself down to 15-ish good parks, I think that "Great Reset" that's was foretold with the merger could become reality. 1 hour ago, DonHelbig said: What could have been and maybe what should have been. https://themeparksbydon.com/cedar-fair-seaworld-merger-story/ Awesome article, Don! It's got me thinking of what could have been and who would've won out in terms of names and how the company would present itself. Right now I'm thinking the Cedar Fair name would be kept or a new name chosen entirely, but I can't figure out whose branding might've stuck. Much to ponder! 2 Quote
jzarley Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 1 hour ago, DonHelbig said: What could have been and maybe what should have been. https://themeparksbydon.com/cedar-fair-seaworld-merger-story/ I still have a bit of PTSD whenever I hear the word “Blackfish” I wonder if the talks with CF occurred when Jim Atchison was still CEO, or if this was something initiated after Joel Manby came in 2015? (If the release of Blackfish wasn’t public knowledge yet, I’m guessing it was under Atchison.) I’ve long maintained that if Blackfish would have happened when Busch Entertainment Corp owned the parks, the entire situation could have played out differently. Anheuser-Busch would have had the messaging and communication expertise to counteract the effects of the documentary (or, at least address it head on). After all, AB makes an addictive product that kills people and everyone still seems to love them… But the timing was such that it occurred right after the spin off, and the leadership at the time just didn’t have the expertise to address it. Not only that, but I fully believe that after years of being the “good guys” who loved and cared for animals, they just couldn’t believe that public perception about them could change. Of course, we know how that turned out… 2 Quote
Tr0y Posted November 14, 2025 Posted November 14, 2025 On 11/11/2025 at 9:55 AM, KI Guy said: To give you all an idea as to how poorly the company is doing right now... In 2006 Cedar Fair bought Paramount Parks for $1.24 billion which equates to roughly $1.98 billion today. That was just 5 full parks plus 3 small properties. Today all of Six Flags 24 full parks plus water parks and small properties is worth just $1.66 billion per their market capitalization. They are really in the position to be taken over by someone or some group (private equity ) with deep pockets. And to think United Parks. (Formerly Seaworld) offered 3.4 billion to purchase Cedar Fair in 2022. 2 years prior to Cedar Fair announcing its intention to merge with Six Flags... 2 Quote
DiamondbackFan Posted November 14, 2025 Posted November 14, 2025 We might get a new CEO announcement soon. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jana-partners-provides-six-flags-131500178.html "NEW YORK, Nov. 13, 2025 /PRNewswire/ -- JANA Partners LLC ("JANA"), which along with its partners collectively own an economic interest of approximately 9% in Six Flags Entertainment Corporation (NYSE: FUN) ("Six Flags" or the "Company"), today announced that Dave Habiger has de-grouped from the JANA-led investor group to enable him to pursue a complementary opportunity involving the Company." 1 Quote
DonHelbig Posted November 14, 2025 Posted November 14, 2025 20 minutes ago, DiamondbackFan said: We might get a new CEO announcement soon. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jana-partners-provides-six-flags-131500178.html "NEW YORK, Nov. 13, 2025 /PRNewswire/ -- JANA Partners LLC ("JANA"), which along with its partners collectively own an economic interest of approximately 9% in Six Flags Entertainment Corporation (NYSE: FUN) ("Six Flags" or the "Company"), today announced that Dave Habiger has de-grouped from the JANA-led investor group to enable him to pursue a complementary opportunity involving the Company." I can see a seat on the board. 2 Quote
Losantiville Mining Co. Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 John Reilly is now officially CEO of the Six Flags Entertainment Corporation. I'm curious to see if any (relatively) immediate changes come through compared to what happened right after the merger around this time last year. The release of some parks' operating calendars yesterday is certainly different, even if was in the works under Richard Zimmerman's tenure. 2 Quote
Orion-XL200 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Looks like SFGAm is now facing a lawsuit.... Six Flags Great America Superman Lawsuit 1 Quote
SonofBaconator Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Orion-XL200 said: Looks like SFGAm is now facing a lawsuit.... Six Flags Great America Superman Lawsuit I wonder if the flying coasters in general will start to be phased out in the distant future. I hear they’re one of the more expensive B&Ms to operate and maintain because of the upright to vertical mechanics. 1 Quote
IBEW_Sparky Posted January 13 Posted January 13 If there is anything left proper in this forsaken pile of a land, this suit will fail miserably. This is why there needs to be a penalty put in place of 10x requested damages if a suit like this is filed and the plaintiff loses. My thoughts, wont change them, dont try. 2 Quote
Losantiville Mining Co. Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Another change resulting from this merger: all of the Dining Plans and Drink Plans have been updated! It looks like they're mostly the same with new logos, but this is another step towards Six Flags actually looking like one company instead of two stacked in a trenchcoat. 1 Quote
Losantiville Mining Co. Posted Sunday at 05:09 AM Posted Sunday at 05:09 AM I remember if there was a dedicated topic for Six Flags removing the General Manager and Park President position, so I'll put this here. Six Flags to Reinstate the Park President Position at 10 Parks The following quote is from a Green Tagged: Theme Park in 30 post and references the original story broken by Brady MacDonald at the Orange County Register on April 16th. Quote Six Flags Entertainment Corporation is reinstating park president positions at 10 of its parks less than a year after eliminating the role, according to an Orange County Register report. The shift signals a reinvestment in the localization of its highest-potential parks. Brady MacDonald at the Orange County Register broke the story on April 16th, based on an on-the-record statement from unnamed Six Flags (Charlotte, NC) officials. As of publication, Six Flags has not issued a press release, filed an 8-K, or posted on its corporate channels to confirm the reversal. MacDonald also broke the original May 2025 story, eliminating the park president role in favor of four regional managers overseeing 27 parks. The 10 parks receiving presidents are: • Canada's Wonderland • Carowinds • Cedar Point • Kings Island • Knott's Berry Farm • Six Flags Great America • Six Flags Great Adventure • Six Flags Magic Mountain • Six Flags Over Georgia • Six Flags Over Texas Six Flags told the Orange County Register that individual appointments will be announced later this week. MacDonald reported that Raffi Kaprelyan will return to Knott's Berry Farm as VP and park manager, and Brian Oerding will move from Carowinds to Six Flags Magic Mountain. Six Flags officials told the Orange County Register that the restructure is "designed to better support the unique needs of each park" and that the changes "increase accountability at the park level and allow the organization to move faster with fewer layers and less complexity." The reversal comes two weeks after Six Flags closed the sale of six U.S. theme parks to EPR Properties on April 6, part of a seven-park divestiture announced March 5 for $331 million. Six of the sold parks are being operated by Enchanted Parks, a new Florida-based operator led by James Harhi. The seventh, La Ronde in Montreal, is being operated by Kieran Burke, the former Six Flags CEO who built the original chain before its 2009 bankruptcy. Six Flags America closed in 2025, and California's Great America is scheduled to close within the next few years, further narrowing the remaining portfolio. Two properties that have received significant recent capital investment are not on the park-president list: Six Flags Fiesta Texas and Kings Dominion. I am happy with this decision, but am also questioning the motive behind which parks were chosen to receive GMs. The five legacy Cedar Fair parks on the list are top performers overall. The list of legacy Six Flags parks is made up of both winners and losers for that legacy company. IIRC Chicago's Great America, Great Adventure, and Magic Mountain are all comparatively big time money makers while SFOT was doing horribly up until it got some refreshed investment this year. It does not feel great to have the threat of more park sales looming over Six Flags' head this close to when they just sold off 7 parks. Even if it results in good things for the company overall, reducing the company's overall size from 41 parks down to 32 (not including SFQC) over the course of a few years does not make it look successful. Only counting overall dry park resorts just looks worse with that number going from 26 parks down to 17. Selling any more parks without officially splitting the company sounds like it would scream "we're in a death spiral but want to make it look like we're not" to me. If this really is a sign that the company is looking to divest more parks, I hope they don't sell the parks to Herschend. I don't want to see one mega chain forcibly shrunk only to see the other (now) mega chain grow even bigger. HFE does amazing things in their flagship parks, don't get me wrong, but I'd much rather see another new chain come into play instead of feeding the current ones. Do you think the reinstatement of the Park President position is a sign of anything to come? Do you, like me, wish they would call them General Managers instead? Change is sometimes scary, and boy am I scared for my happy place right now. 1 Quote
disco2000 Posted Sunday at 06:11 AM Posted Sunday at 06:11 AM One could surmise that any park not given the President treatment is open for being sold off or closed. Rumor was the ideal plan was to get to under 15 parks and this aligns with that rumor. Along with this change, it resulted in slashing of personnel as well.... 1 Quote
Losantiville Mining Co. Posted Monday at 06:50 PM Posted Monday at 06:50 PM There is a chance that those 10 parks aren't the only ones that will be receiving Park Presidents seeing as Six Flags has yet to put out an official announcement about it. Part of this could be a funding issue where they only have the money for some parks to get them while the middle-of-the-road parks could be fine without a Park President. It could also be a situation where this is a new testing phase to see if the parks actually run better under the new leadership since so much has changed since the last management shake up. We're already seeing this with the two versions of Fast Lane, so it's a possibility. I'll have to go back through my lists to see which parks I think SF would actually sell off first at this point. Quote
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