The Bat Removal Rumor

[disco2000]

3 minutes ago, Diamondback_Is_King said:

They didn't really give a date for these closures did they?

Also, interesting that Hurler is not on there. I feel its time to get rid of Hurler and not Nighthawk

I suspect the date already happened.  Seems to be the new thing.

[Outdoor Man]

I said this in the last thread. It may be rumor, may not- but it's not out of the realm of possibility.  It will be 32 years old at the end of the 2025 season- the exact same age as Vortex was when it was deemed past it's service life.  I don't think it's a stretch to say that even before the announcement was made, Vortex had a higher ridership count.  Top Gun/Flight Deck/The Bat (or whatever its being called this decade) is a dinosaur coaster concept and probably not in the top 10 in ridership numbers at the park.

I feel that if the rumors about Invertigo, Congo, Timberwolf, and now The Bat are accurate.... then 2026 or 2027 could bring a new experience.  Would like to see the scar at the back of the park addressed though.... but those attractions occupy prime "front of park" real estate and are aging/low ridership. 

My hope is that they chase after a unique "experience driven" attraction/coaster... multi-launch and under 100ft tall and theme the h*!! out of it.   Create and write the story you want then design the attraction to tell it. I love the theme and layout of Taron (Phantasialand)- which if not mistaken cost less than Orion. 

BUT, history tells me it will be another "TALLER, FASTER", etc... 

[disco2000]

9 minutes ago, Outdoor Man said:

 

BUT, history tells me it will be another "TALLER, FASTER", etc... 

You forgot the   *in the park 

[coastergoblin]

For those who missed the original post, here’s a breakdown of what’s going to happen, or according to some (the park) is a “rumor”:

• During the Q3 SFECO earnings call Zimmerman briefly discussed an internal effort called Project Accelerate, which is an initiative to reduce debt as a result of the merger by increasing margins. How will this be done? Reducing $200m across the company in labor and costs deemed unnecessary across the company.
• Parks are having their maintenance budget reduced, and are being forced to remove aging attractions, especially those with low ridership, to be within budget. 
• Kings Island has chosen The Bat to be the next major attraction removed from the park, due to low ridership and increasing maintenance cost. The serviceable parts from The Bat will be sent to Canada’s Wonderland to continue to support the operation of Vortex, as they have determined for it to be a more valuable asset to the portfolio.
• Similar to the Ka, Volcano, and Nighthawk announcements, the ride will close silently at the end of the season and then later quietly be announced to be removed. The park will focus on the 2026 attraction to save face during the announcement. All of this is in an effort to reduce backlash, negative word of mouth, and prevent season pass sales from declining.
• A fence line will be erected in the 2025-2026 off season between Banshee and The Bat, as if the attraction never existed. Several other attractions in Action Zone will close in the coming years.

The Good:

• A complete revitalization of the area on the scale or Jungle X-Pedition at Kings Dominion will take place over a five year span. Currently a new coaster, a flat ride, and an overhaul of the existing Chicken Shack is planned to take place.

The mods took this information down previously, and are likely receiving pressure from the park to stop this narrative before it gets out of hand like Ka. Please spread the word, it is a shame another Arrow suspended is going to bite the dust, but we deserve to know what is happening.   

[disco2000]

[beastfan11]

12 minutes ago, Outdoor Man said:

I feel that if the rumors about Invertigo, Congo, Timberwolf, and now The Bat are accurate.... then 2026 or 2027 could bring a new experience.  Would like to see the scar at the back of the park addressed though.... but those attractions occupy prime "front of park" real estate and are aging/low ridership.

(Not directed at you specifically) 

I don’t think the removal of any of those attractions is anything more than “wishful” thinking from enthusiasts who’d like to see half the park demo’d in favor of concrete and lackluster coaster installations. Have there been any legitimate rumors saying this? Aside from regularly scheduled seasonal work involving Timberwolf?

That said, I hope none of that comes to fruition, including the removal of Top Gun/The Bat. There are so many other areas of the park that need attention before AZ. I’m afraid that massive ride removals would only lead to large spaces of cleared land and wooden fences for 5-10 years. 

[Outdoor Man]

18 minutes ago, beastfan11 said:

(Not directed at you specifically) 

I don’t think the removal of any of those attractions is anything more than “wishful” thinking from enthusiasts who’d like to see half the park demo’d in favor of concrete and lackluster coaster installations. Have there been any legitimate rumors saying this? Aside from regularly scheduled seasonal work involving Timberwolf?

That said, I hope none of that comes to fruition, including the removal of Top Gun/The Bat. There are so many other areas of the park that need attention before AZ. I’m afraid that massive ride removals would only lead to large spaces of cleared land and wooden fences for 5-10 years. 

 

I agree with you on other areas needing attention.  That said, AZ has a collection of aging attractions with low ridership clustered together. It, unfortunately, makes sense.

[Orion-XL200]

Hey we got that new 2024 Coke Refresh Station! Things are looking up in Action Zone!

[disco2000]

8 minutes ago, Orion-XL200 said:

Hey we got that new 2024  2025 Coke Refresh Station! Things are looking up in Action Zone!

Fixed it for you 

[Orion-XL200]

Completed in time for winterizing!

[johnjniehaus]

All I'm going to say is that I think people will be more grateful about receiving an announcement about a closure rather than just waking up one day to find a coaster is gone. If anyone from the park is checking these forums, my request to you is if The Bat has reached it's final days, PLEASE let it close with fanfare and with final rides and love/support from it's fan base much like the park did with Vortex. I understand the need to move forward, I may not like or agree with all of the decisions, however, giving a chance at last rides is a very respectful way to close an aging attraction instead of acting like nobody cares about it or just tearing it down during the off season. 

[Tr0y]

2 hours ago, Diamondback_Is_King said:

They didn't really give a date for these closures did they?

Also, interesting that Hurler is not on there. I feel its time to get rid of Hurler and not Nighthawk

Hurler being removed?

What the schell? I thought it was gonna be the Carolina Cyclone??? 

[SmartCat7162]

Is The Bat super maintenance heavy?


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[DonHelbig]

On 12/17/2024 at 4:32 PM, IndyGuy4KI said:

I do want to reiterate.

KIC has spoken to the park and there is no plan to remove The Bat. As of right now, The Bat being removed at the end of the 2025 season is just a rumor.

Until we see evidence or get word from the park it is just that, a rumor!

"As of right now." Tomorrow, though, is a new day. 

[Tr0y]

21 hours ago, Diamondback_Is_King said:

They didn't really give a date for these closures did they?

Also, interesting that Hurler is not on there. I feel its time to get rid of Hurler and not Nighthawk

I don’t think there was any plan to remove these rides this soon. Cedar Fair overestimated how much they would save in “synergies”. In a desperate attempt to meet the 200 million savings they claimed. They now have to go after “expensive to operate” attractions.

We may see a repeat of 2023 next season…

[BeeastFarmer]

15 minutes ago, Tr0y said:

I don’t think there was any plan to remove these rides this soon. Cedar Fair overestimated how much they would save in “synergies”. In a desperate attempt to meet the 200 million savings they claimed. They now have to go after “expensive to operate” attractions.

We may see a repeat of 2023 next season…

I agree but am struggling to grasp how closing a ride like KK or NH, which are expensive to operate, would save money (in the short term) when you have a huge expense to remove the rides.  One time cost vs cost runs over time, but in an era where they want to show financial results, why would they do a bunch of CAPEX right now?  

Or, are ride removals not that expensive?  I follow Jazzland on Facebook and the group that is trying to buy the land to reopen the park (the city has not entertained their proposal and has awarded it to another).  This group claims that the company that is doing the demo is paid by the scrap value.  

[DonHelbig]

The Bat isn't going to be retired in the foreseeable future. Congo Falls? Invertigo? Drop Tower? Monster? Place your bets!

[jbeast]

Don,

As much as I hate to see rides taken out, my bet is Invertigo and Congo Falls. I only hope in the grand scheme of things that they would be replaced by something that really wows guests entering from that side of the park.

[PKIDelirium]

I expect KI's hits from Project Accelerate would be Invertigo, Congo Falls, and possibly Timberwolf and the Skycoaster. So far the parks that have confirmed closures are closing rides located near each other. Carowinds is a little different but Scream Weaver and Drop Tower are close together, despite not being close to Nighthawk.

[Diamondback_Is_King]

22 minutes ago, jbeast said:

I only hope in the grand scheme of things that they would be replaced by something that really wows guests entering from that side of the park.

Totally agree. Sometimes I'll walk past security and I will overhear new guests saying, "I want to go on that one" (Talking about Invertigo. Some even call it Timberwolf because of that sign after security )

People see those rides at the front, and a brand new one would excite guests greatly. Kings Island needs a standout attraction at the front.

[coastergoblin]

On 12/20/2024 at 1:55 PM, DonHelbig said:

The Bat isn't going to be retired in the foreseeable future. Congo Falls? Invertigo? Drop Tower? Monster? Place your bets!

I have to disagree here because it WILL close at the end of the 2025 season.

If I told you in August that Kingda Ka (the worlds tallest and the time fastest operating coaster), Green Lantern, Sky Ride, Zumanjaro, Parachute Drop, AND Twister were all closing in the same season you wouldn’t believe me? Why would they get rid of so many rides?

 

Well, KI understands this and is slowly going to take the band aid off, you gotta ease people in. First you take out The Bat, remove it from the park map, fence it off, eliminate it from social channels. It’s easy to hide, United Parks does an excellent job of closing attractions off of the beaten path with little to no closure and SFECO is going to follow suit.

After this you take out Drop Tower and Congo Falls, very easy to place the blame on service life when in reality one had terrible maintenance/low capacity and the other had low ridership and seasonality holding it back. 
 

Now you have this huge plot to play with and begin phase one of the Action Zone overhaul. It’s not rocket science people, the writing is on the walls, these rides are closing. This is a corporation, and they will do whatever is in the best interest of shareholders.

[Tr0y]

3 hours ago, coastergoblin said:

I have to disagree here because it WILL close at the end of the 2025 season.

If I told you in August that Kingda Ka (the worlds tallest and the time fastest operating coaster), Green Lantern, Sky Ride, Zumanjaro, Parachute Drop, AND Twister were all closing in the same season you wouldn’t believe me? Why would they get rid of so many rides?

 

Well, KI understands this and is slowly going to take the band aid off, you gotta ease people in. First you take out The Bat, remove it from the park map, fence it off, eliminate it from social channels. It’s easy to hide, United Parks does an excellent job of closing attractions off of the beaten path with little to no closure and SFECO is going to follow suit.

After this you take out Drop Tower and Congo Falls, very easy to place the blame on service life when in reality one had terrible maintenance/low capacity and the other had low ridership and seasonality holding it back. 
 

Now you have this huge plot to play with and begin phase one of the Action Zone overhaul. It’s not rocket science people, the writing is on the walls, these rides are closing. This is a corporation, and they will do whatever is in the best interest of shareholders.

Told us in August? Your profile says that you joined in December???

[BeeastFarmer]

20 minutes ago, Tr0y said:

Told us in August? Your profile says that you joined in December???

He said "if I told you in August that ...." (You wouldn't believe me, but I was right...that's what I understand him to say.)

If he's correct, maybe we should all donate some Schellings to him!

[Tr0y]

5 minutes ago, BeeastFarmer said:

He said "if I told you in August that ...." (You wouldn't believe me, but I was right...that's what I understand him to say.)

If he's correct, maybe we should all donate some Schellings to him!

I misread what he said. I guess, I Schell apologize. 

My bad! @coastergoblin

[DonHelbig]

7 hours ago, coastergoblin said:

I have to disagree here because it WILL close at the end of the 2025 season.

If I told you in August that Kingda Ka (the worlds tallest and the time fastest operating coaster), Green Lantern, Sky Ride, Zumanjaro, Parachute Drop, AND Twister were all closing in the same season you wouldn’t believe me? Why would they get rid of so many rides?

 

Well, KI understands this and is slowly going to take the band aid off, you gotta ease people in. First you take out The Bat, remove it from the park map, fence it off, eliminate it from social channels. It’s easy to hide, United Parks does an excellent job of closing attractions off of the beaten path with little to no closure and SFECO is going to follow suit.

After this you take out Drop Tower and Congo Falls, very easy to place the blame on service life when in reality one had terrible maintenance/low capacity and the other had low ridership and seasonality holding it back. 
 

Now you have this huge plot to play with and begin phase one of the Action Zone overhaul. It’s not rocket science people, the writing is on the walls, these rides are closing. This is a corporation, and they will do whatever is in the best interest of shareholders.

The Bat will be there longer than a number of current full-time employees. 

[Vortex1987]

If they axe The Bat, why not announce it so people can get last rides in? Do what they did with Vortex and make a huge send off for the ride. Easy way to increase attendance in those few months! 

[coastergoblin]

Well folks, permits have been filed for Anaconda to be closed at Kings Dominion without warning, an aging Arrow with low ridership.

Source: https://kdfans.com/2024/anaconda-slated-for-demolition/

Be warned the park will take the narrative that “Rapterra is replacing Anaconda”, and Kings Island will replicate that same narrative with “The Bat is being replaced by the 2026 attraction” despite neither of their “replacements” actually replacing the closing rides. Addition by subtraction, simple as that. 
 

Call it a rumor all you want, but next year is your last year to ride The Bat.

[BryanJay]

With all the news of the post-end-of-season closures, I’m reallly hoping that KI doesn’t get hit with any before the next 2025 season (unless it’s like Congo Falls but even then I’d still be upset I didn’t ride it for the last time.) At least if The Bat or something closes at the end of next season, we still have the chance to ride it with the rumors in mind. 

[johnjniehaus]

If corporate Cedar Fair called for budget cuts and mass ride removals perhaps the parks were not given opportunities to offer final rides. I'm not sure if the decision for ride removals was planned months in advance or if it was a quick end of season, knew jerk, type of move across the board. However, if The Bat escapes the initial purge and is open next year I would hope they would announce late summer that they plan to remove by the end of the season (provided that is the plan)