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This will be interesting https://www.yahoo.com/news/disney-says-now-issue-lifetime-192034246.html

Maybe they are waiting to get it right, unlike KD that has issued at least two lists that are inaccurate.

Only those with CP gold+APP will get FLP at FL price

The line will be shorter, but I have seen some days that the FastLane exceeds 45 minutes for the top rides.

Thanks for sharing. Looked like a great event.

So in your mind, it is fair that a 2024 Schlitt platinum pass holder can get into the CP pass holder preview whereas a KI gold + all park passport holder doesn't, even though the FAQ says the passes are the same and those complaining are just adorable as they are predictable cry-babies... And I guess a passholder preview is not considered a benefit to passholders either....

We get it, another the chain can do no wrong person... Pre sales of passes hinges on the product being comparable and improved upon prior years. That is why historically comes into play.... Clearly they are deviating from that. And clearly some will continue to buy regardless of what the park sells...and clearly some will now wait to see what is being offered. Like I said we get it that it is within their subject to change clause, but tell me the last time a CF park held a pass holder preview and didn't allow platinum pass holders to attend? We will wait... Now they changed the pass structure and claim all park passport is equal to platinum except it isn't as it applies to CP pass holder preview. A 2024 schlitterbahn platinum allows access to CP pass holder preview, but a KI gold+ all park passport does not. Sounds equal to me... Surely you can comprehend that... Just like we comprehend it is within their right to subject to change...but that doesn't mean the optics aren't poor... Or are you okay that the TOC and the FAQ don't necessarily match....but then why have a FAQ???? Again bad optics...

Dude, you are referencing a summer pass that some parks sold....and you are referencing what they mean by concerts and pay add-ons. A season pass preview has historically been a "special" event that a platinum pass would get someone into any passholder preview night being held regardless of park and regardless of which park was the "home" park. Further they state the the all parks passport is the equivalent to a platinum, which it isn't as it applies to the CP passholder preview. And the additional terms for the All-park Passsport says this with no mention to CP and their passholder preview: Additional Terms and Conditions by location: Canada’s Wonderland – Parking is included with the purchase of a Gold Pass and All Park Passport add-on. Knott’s Berry Farm – Gold or Prestige Pass with the All Park Passport add-on is valid only for admission on any regular scheduled operating day and is not valid for entry to Scary Farm. Parking is included with the purchase of a Gold Pass and All Park Passport add-on. Dorney Park – It is agreed between the Passholder and Cedar Fair that in further consideration of your admission to Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom that all claims for injury or loss allegedly incurred or caused while on the premises of Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom shall be raised and pursued only in the court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County, Pennsylvania. But we get it, there is a lot of wiggle room in the subject to change clause and we are not stupid and recognize that, and certainly even those willing to stand behind CF are certainly not stupid enough to admit that the language can be contradictory (or are they)....and that the optics are poor....

It's fine with Netscape

You mean from outside the park - nope. Anything within the park- yes.

^wonderland did that during Haunt as well.

It's not the first time a CF park has provided conflicting information..and won't be the last LOL. Tell us if the "make me whole" line is long on Monday

Wait until 2025 when they follow the SIX model and make the meal plans only valid thru Labor Day. How else will they squeeze extra nickels out of the captive audience...

“Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.”

Sadly, come August the chain could say "due to the merger, we haven't figured out the pass process yet, so just pay us what you did last year and in April 2025 we will tell you what pass that amount equates to" and people would still buy it LOL. I mean look at all the people on FB that post stuff like "I bought a silver pass, when am I allowed to visit the park." Or "does my gold pass get me into winterfest". Or people on the podcast post asking if their CF pass gets them into KK or Hershey lol

I tell people often that they get complacent with what they have and go visit another park to regain the appreciation of what we have!

It's ok, nobody in this market saw it either

It would be you to mention this

Don't forget Kings High School did a little walk thru exhibit thing during 2017 Winterfest at Coney Confections

Plus keep in mind how times have changed since the pool was originally built. How many people had a pool in their backyard then? Heck, how many people had a pool in their backyard 50 years ago or lived in a subdivision with a pool? Over the last 20 to 30 years, look how many people have put pools in their backyard or since around the mid-1990's live in a subdivision with a subdivision pool as part of the Homeowner Association fees! That is all the rage to build a clubhouse with a pool. Homebuilders go crazy building that stuff as part of the selling point for the subdivision. In part that is why The Beach, built in 1985, couldn't sustain operation (having KI across the street didn't help along with the City of Mason building a pool complex in 1995). In part that is why Surf Cincinnati, built in 1990, couldn't sustain operation. It is why local neighborhood swim clubs have had to create GoFundMe initiatives to help make ends meet. In addition to more entertainment options competing for your money, there is way more access to pools now. So outside of an amusement park type setting, pools will either be community centers funded in part with local taxes, the local Y's, and private swim clubs like Silverlake that has passes that range from $741 for an individual to $2,100 for a family. Or several order of magnitude greater than what a season pass to Coney costed. And sadly I don't think Anderson Township was sincere about really wanting to take over the pool that would be way oversized for their community. I think if it went for a vote it would have failed.

^Very well said. To take it one step further chain-wide. Remember that in the 2022 annual report released 2023 Q1, they noted that "In 2022, we sold a record 3.2 million season passes and generated more than $450 million in revenues from our suite of season-pass products, including all-season dining and all-season beverage....Operating costs and expenses for 2022 totaled $1.29 billion" So lets assume that each of the 3.2 million passes were all $100, that is $320,000,000 + $450,000,000 in pass add-ons = $770,000,000. So that leaves $520,000,000 that needs to be made up in resort revenue, single day entry, food and drink purchases outside of the season pass add-ons, and merch to reach their operating costs. Now we know that there were other more expensive passes then due to Platinum and Prestige Pass prices, so the total revenue from pass sales alone is somewhere between $320,000,000 and $640,000,000 if everyone bought a platinum pass at $200. Now granted not all of that is front-end loaded in your example, but season pass holders and associated add-ons accounts for well over half of their revenue.

I do find it ironic that you said the reason you quit getting a season pass was because in your mind they devalued the ERT that you enjoyed.... And yet you said "when purchasing a season pass, which explicitly states that it provides access to the park(s) during their public operating calendar, and there is no mention that these passes provide access to special events outside of the public operating calendar. Therefore, I expect to receive only what is spelled out and do not feel entitled to more." Then why did you feel entitled to ERT as that is not during the public operating calendar... Talk about being an unoriginal troll and changing your arguments to meet your narrative...as adorable as it is predictable...

What would YOU call it then if it isn't a benefit? Is it a gift, a bonus, a perk, an extra? To most of us, anything offered to passholders is considered a benefit. Whether you want to call it a bonus, extra, perk, gift, etc. it is still a "benefit" offered to you as being a passholder. Regardless, they marketed the gold+all park passport as being equal to a platinum pass and say so in the FAQ. Now with the CP passholder preview, a platinum pass out of the Schlitterbahn parks gets you into the CP passholder preview, while a gold+all park passport does not. Does that sound equal to you? You are smart enough to realize that those two passes are not "equal" as it relates to this event and that once again CF has managed to create issues because they cannot figure out how to properly word and advertise/market what they offer... And we get it Mr. Attorney that conditions are subject to change and caveat emptor and it doesn't meet the legal definition of "bait and switch" and blah blah blah, but the optics and perception leave a bit to be desired. Certainly the c-suite people with the large salaries they command could have figured this out before they rolled out changing the methods of passes offered. But maybe not, WTF would you change your passholder offerings knowing that in maybe a year or two with the merger with SIX that the entire pass process would have to be revamped, so why create confusion for a year or two?

Call the "bait and switch" police - CP just removed the Ferris Wheel from the event

I would expect the number of platinum passes sold at a Schlitt park is far less than the number of Gold+all park passport from Knott's. I guess your definition/interpretation of "benefit" is different that the rest of us. But being part of the legal team I can see why LOL. I think most here consider a pass holder preview event as a benefit of having said pass. And your argument of it isn't an operating day so it isn't a benefit doesn't hold much water compared to the add-ons. If that were the case, then why are meal and drink plans and season long fast line valid during pass holder preview if they are clearly marked as only valid during publicly open operating days? Under your argument they should receive entry only to the park for passholder preview. But whether you want to call it a benefit or perk or bonus or whatever word YOU wanna call it legally, the fact remains that a Platinum pass from a Schlitt park gets someone into the CP pass holder preview and the KI gold pass plus all park passport does not, which is advertised and addressed under the FAQ as being equal to a Platinum pass and is clearly not the case to everyone except you. Maybe if you had a pass and personally experienced this you wouldn't be defending the chain like only a c-suite employee would But I know we both agree that regardless of how disenfranchised a pass holder feels about this or the other stuff, the majority will ultimately still renew instead of speaking with their wallet like you did.