I just found the answer to whether or not the new comfortable Vekoma trains have been put on an Arrow. 

Meet Dreamworld's Hot Wheels SideWinder.

https://rcdb.com/1415.htm

http://www.parkchatlive.com.au/2015/12/dreamworld-opens-hot-wheels-roller-coaster-motorsports-precinct/hot-wheels-dreamworld/

As much as I love the look and feel of the classic Arrow trains, I would be all for the Vekoma MK-1212 trains.

If Vortex ever received those trains, its already good ride experience could be even BETTER. Not to mention that many who are turned off by Vortex's jerkiness/roughness would perhaps be willing to give it another shot.

I still think Vortex is great the way it is, but I'm not opposed to any improvements!

The only set I've ridden is the train at Hershey's Sidewinder, and even for a smaller coaster, it made a noticeable improvement.  Never thought a Vekoma Boomerang could actually be enjoyable.  

1 hour ago, VortexBFForever said:

As much as I love the look and feel of the classic Arrow trains, I would be all for the Vekoma MK-1212 trains.

If Vortex ever received those trains, its already good ride experience could be even BETTER. Not to mention that many who are turned off by Vortex's jerkiness/roughness would perhaps be willing to give it another shot.

I still think Vortex is great the way it is, but I'm not opposed to any improvements!

The Arrow trains make Vortex iconic. The trains actually are one of my favorite details about the ride. Although, some upgrades on them would be nice! 

 Speaking of The Vortex trains... when was it that they put the walls in the front of the front seats of each train?

 My memory serves me that I used to be able to stretch my legs all the way out into the front area of the trains when I rode, and found out when I finally got to get back on in the 30th anniversary season that they had put a wall up there. 

4 hours ago, lifetimecoaster said:

 Speaking of The Vortex trains... when was it that they put the walls in the front of the front seats of each train?

 My memory serves me that I used to be able to stretch my legs all the way out into the front area of the trains when I rode, and found out when I finally got to get back on in the 30th anniversary season that they had put a wall up there. 

I have wondered that too.  I always liked sitting in the front of each car as there was so much room.  

You guys see this?:

6 hours ago, lifetimecoaster said:

 Speaking of The Vortex trains... when was it that they put the walls in the front of the front seats of each train?

 My memory serves me that I used to be able to stretch my legs all the way out into the front area of the trains when I rode, and found out when I finally got to get back on in the 30th anniversary season that they had put a wall up there. 

Yeah I remember that too. Loved the front when I was younger and it was just an empty shell. I haven't ridden in a while, but I haven't ridden anywhere but 5-1 in years, so I have no idea when the wall was added.

I love the trains and of course this ride is ridiculously picturesque and a delightful throwback, but I think a train swap might make this much more ride-able for the GP, and the more people actually ride it, the more the park might see it as worth keeping. I haven't seen it as anything but a walk-on the last several times I've been.

Ew. I didn't know they had done that. That's unfortunate for the taller folk that always opt for the front of whichever car they are in.

 Speaking of The Vortex trains... when was it that they put the walls in the front of the front seats of each train?
 My memory serves me that I used to be able to stretch my legs all the way out into the front area of the trains when I rode, and found out when I finally got to get back on in the 30th anniversary season that they had put a wall up there. 

I’m not 100% but I wanna say it was that same year I’m thinking they did it when they refurbished The Vortex sign.


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7 hours ago, BringBackOurEagles said:

Yeah I remember that too. Loved the front when I was younger and it was just an empty shell. I haven't ridden in a while, but I haven't ridden anywhere but 5-1 in years, so I have no idea when the wall was added.

I love the trains and of course this ride is ridiculously picturesque and a delightful throwback, but I think a train swap might make this much more ride-able for the GP, and the more people actually ride it, the more the park might see it as worth keeping. I haven't seen it as anything but a walk-on the last several times I've been.

I have never waited more than 30 minutes for Banshee, Diamondback, or Vortex. I remember waiting in lines for Vortex all the way to the Juke Box Diner, and the line went quick. Vortex, Banshee, and Diamond back are good at cycling people off and on the rides. I also am impressed with Mystic's load/unload times, as I have only waited an hour max for that ride, even when I have been told the queue is almost two hours long. Banshee and Diamond back have also been quoted to me as two hour waits, when they are less than 20 minutes with several queues open. Vortex had a line last Saturday, but we waited maybe 10 minutes. The Bat is also one that is almost always a walk-on as well. 

I thought I'd expand this topic to include Millennium Flyer trains for The Beast and The Racer.

On 4/30/2019 at 10:52 PM, LondonFreak said:

I have never waited more than 30 minutes for Banshee, Diamondback, or Vortex. I remember waiting in lines for Vortex all the way to the Juke Box Diner, and the line went quick. Vortex, Banshee, and Diamond back are good at cycling people off and on the rides. I also am impressed with Mystic's load/unload times, as I have only waited an hour max for that ride, even when I have been told the queue is almost two hours long. Banshee and Diamond back have also been quoted to me as two hour waits, when they are less than 20 minutes with several queues open. Vortex had a line last Saturday, but we waited maybe 10 minutes. The Bat is also one that is almost always a walk-on as well. 

I think the Diamondback is well known in the coaster community for stacking trains. You can thank the seatbelts for that. 

2 hours ago, SonofBaconator said:

I thought I'd expand this topic to include Millennium Flyer trains for The Beast and The Racer.

Why go with quality when you can probably just scrounge up some second-rate Gerstlauer trains for cheap?

1 hour ago, flightoffear1996 said:

I think the Diamondback is well known in the coaster community for stacking trains. You can thank the seatbelts for that. 

Remember when they just had to push the restraint down and go? Ahh the memories.. which begs the question, will the new Giga come with the seatbelts installed or will it be like the original Diamondback 

9 minutes ago, FoF96" said:

Remember when they just had to push the restraint down and go? Ahh the memories.. which begs the question, will the new Giga come with the seatbelts installed or will it be like the original Diamondback 

Seatbelts, Cedar Fair will do anything they can to have less liabilities!

I never felt the needs for seat belts unless it it used for a way to measure if someone is too large to ride.  In Diamondbacks case it is not.

I think the Diamondback is well known in the coaster community for stacking trains. You can thank the seatbelts for that. 

But almost every other coaster has belts of some sort at KI. And Goliath at OG doesn't have belts, and in my anecdotal experience, dispatches much slower.

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If you rode Diamondback before the seat belts there was almost never any stacking.   

I seem to recall hearing the nickname "Diamondstack" before the seat belts were installed. 

My first year riding DB was the last year before the seatbelts. There has not been a perceptible difference in time to send out trains before and after belts. Diamondstack was definitely a name used before the seatbelts.

IME it is the bins and riders who need extra work to get their clamshells locked that slow down dispatches, not the belts. When ride ops go along and gather bags rather than allowing people to go to the bins themselves, dispatch speed is greatly increased. 

The 2014 season started without seatbelts but were installed on Diamondback within the first operating month that year.

The first reference of Diamondstack on this forum was June 16, 2013, but was used prior to reference here...

One can search this forum and find where people have done some unofficial timing of dispatches and see that the seatbelts have not increased the dispatch times...ride op records would confirm this as well...as many have said in the past, for the most part delays are guest driven with issues other than seatbelts...