DJSkyFoxx Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, Vortex1987 said: I think whatever they do with that TRTR building, they should send me some of TRTR's theming. I'd pay a pretty penny to get my hands on any bit of it. Or the restraint off the seats sitting in FOF's building.... or a bolt or something off those seats... I think you're going to have to keep dreaming as I doubt that is going to be obtainable to anyone at this point in the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex1987 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (Credits to ThemeParkArchive, not my photo) Just the restraint... just a bolt.......... I want a piece or something off these seats. LOL. For obvious reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiian Coasters 325 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 17 minutes ago, Orion742 said: I’m okay with the smaller investments the park has been receiving in the past few years. They’ve touched up some weaker parts of the park and made them look very nice. I wouldn’t mind if we got something like a madhouse in the Crypt building for 2026. I think another indoor attraction is always a win. Plus Rivertown doesn’t have any flat rides. My hope is that they touch up Action Zone in 2027 and give it a retheme. Then come 2028 I think it’ll be time to replace Vortex. I’d love to see a large scale Mack launch coaster similar to Stardust Racers. Maybe not dueling but make it bigger than one side of Stardust Racers. Stardust Racers has a height requirement of 48 inches which is perfect and I think they could do so much with a Mack multi launch coaster in that plot of land. Maybe 2-3 inversions. If it takes them a long time to find a worthy world class coaster to replace Vortex I have no problem waiting. I don't see a Mack as Mack is extremely expensive. I think Vekoma would be the best bet. I don't know how much a modern Vekoma like Abyssus would cost, but I'm guessing it would cost less than Copperhead Strike. Correct me if wrong though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonHelbig Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 33 minutes ago, Vortex1987 said: Time for me to cancel my pass if this happens!! What a HORRIBLE replacement. Why in the heck does Cedar Fair keep treating Cedar Point like its god and they always get incredible additions, (Including the tilt that they STOLE from SFNM) but every other park gets held back and gets crap? TTD nearly kills someone and it gets revamped but Ka got demo-ed? This merger has been a disaster and it always will be. All they're doing is they're doing anything they can to prop up Cedar Point. If they put something so stupid in the former home of the best dark ride ever created, I'm revoking my pass and never going back. Same goes with The Vortex plot. That Vortex plot needs something incredible. I HATE you Cedar Fair. You’re not going to cancel your season pass. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex1987 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 minutes ago, DonHelbig said: You’re not going to cancel your season pass. Oh trust me, yes I will. I will no longer be a passholder if they stick a lame Madhouse in that building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastfan11 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 I’m just hyped that there’s a chance the park might be getting a new dark ride style attraction. Excited to see what they do. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonHelbig Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 24 minutes ago, Vortex1987 said: Oh trust me, yes I will. I will no longer be a passholder if they stick a lame Madhouse in that building. If I had a dime for every time someone said they weren’t renewing their season pass if Kings Island did this or did that, I’d be living on a yacht in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. 2 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsislandfan1972 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 minutes ago, DonHelbig said: If I had a dime for every time someone said they weren’t renewing their season pass if Kings Island did this or did that, I’d be living on a yacht in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. That comment actually made me laugh outloud, this should be mentioned in "Tower Topics". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex1987 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 16 minutes ago, DonHelbig said: If I had a dime for every time someone said they weren’t renewing their season pass if Kings Island did this or did that, I’d be living on a yacht in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. You think im kidding, dont you? I dont think you realize how much i despise Cedar Fair. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonHelbig Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 5 minutes ago, Vortex1987 said: You think im kidding, dont you? I dont think you realize how much i despise Cedar Fair. Lol. Cedar who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastfan11 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 48 minutes ago, Vortex1987 said: I dont think you realize how much i despise Cedar Fair. Lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex1987 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 6 minutes ago, beastfan11 said: At least Six Flags doesnt show the extreme favoritism like Cedar Fair does towards Cedar Point.......... This merger was a huge failure. No park in the US is going to be allowed to surpass Cedar Point with Cedar Fair running the show with the merger. Cedar Point will always be Cedar Fairs golden child and it will be at ALL costs. If that building gets something lame in there, I'm done going to KI for good. Whatever goes in there wont hold a candle to TR:TR. Nothing I've seen or ever rode has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco2000 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, DonHelbig said: If I had a dime for every time someone said they weren’t renewing their season pass if Kings Island did this or did that, I’d be living on a yacht in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. #truth lol Almost everyone I know that says that still renews...or returns the following year... And as long as the number of new passes sold is greater than the number of passholders that don't renew, they don't care... And the new passholder will have a higher per cap than the disgruntled non-renewer, so it's a win-win lol Ar the end of the day, complaints and all, it still represents a cheap entertainment value. Buy your silver pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjniehaus Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 38 minutes ago, Vortex1987 said: At least Six Flags doesnt show the extreme favoritism like Cedar Fair does towards Cedar Point.......... What are you talking about? Magic Mountain has 20 something rollercoasters while other parks are basically rotting. I think six flags has their favorites just like any other chain does. What I'll say about future additions at KI is that while they may never be a 30million giga coaster again, at least we are getting improvements - food/bev, family rides, etc. some parks in the chain don't get anything and to be fair KI is pretty stacked as it is so compared to some other parks in the chain we're doing pretty good. Of course people always want to compare us to Cedar Point and will we ever be better than Cedar Point? Absolutely no way no how. Never going to happen but we all knew that when Cedar Fair bought Paramount. One could argue CP was still the better park even before they bought KI. But what I'd like to call attention to is that while we might not ever be better than CP, we are definitely better than probably 90% of the other parks in the merged SF chain all things considered. I don't think that is anything to complain about. Go live for a year in Oklahoma and have frontier city as your home park and then complain about Kings Island. I'd also like to add at least Kings Island is FIXING the monster and not REMOVING the monster. I'd actually take the preservation of a park original flat over getting anything new next year. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJSkyFoxx Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, Vortex1987 said: If that building gets something lame in there, I'm done going to KI for good. Whatever goes in there wont hold a candle to TR:TR. Nothing I've seen or ever rode has. So which is it? If they put something lame in there you won't renew/attend the park anymore or is it that if they put ANYTHING in there you won't do the thing? There simply won't be another Huss Giant Top Spin occupying that building. It was one of a kind and for good reason. I understand being passionate about something and missing something, but this seems a bit extreme. The ride has been gone almost 15 years and granted yes, it was a great attraction when it operated under the TR theming/programing, it also now just sits empty as nothing. You would prefer an empty space to sit and be barely utilized once a season than have a possibly fun/entertaining attraction take it's place? No one on this side of the gate knows exactly what the 2026 plans are and there is no concrete evidence that there is anything going in the TR building. There is purely speculation. And of course, SOMEONE knows the answers but are not permitted to share yet. This would be like me saying that if they put something I didn't prefer in The Vortex plot I wouldn't come back. And I am sure there are people that strongly feel that way about XYZ things. That's fine. But life goes on and there are other hobbies a person can find to occupy their free time. I have other hobbies outside of roller coasters that I care deeply about where if I found myself wanting to take a break from this park or any park, I would be fine. I haven't reached that point yet, but the thing I am trying to say is that it's ok to walk away from things if you no longer find value or happiness in it anymore. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex1987 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 14 minutes ago, DJSkyFoxx said: So which is it? If they put something lame in there you won't renew/attend the park anymore or is it that if they put ANYTHING in there you won't do the thing? There simply won't be another Huss Giant Top Spin occupying that building. It was one of a kind and for good reason. I understand being passionate about something and missing something, but this seems a bit extreme. The ride has been gone almost 15 years and granted yes, it was a great attraction when it operated under the TR theming/programing, it also now just sits empty as nothing. You would prefer an empty space to sit and be barely utilized once a season than have a possibly fun/entertaining attraction take it's place? No one on this side of the gate knows exactly what the 2026 plans are and there is no concrete evidence that there is anything going in the TR building. There is purely speculation. And of course, SOMEONE knows the answers but are not permitted to share yet. This would be like me saying that if they put something I didn't prefer in The Vortex plot I wouldn't come back. And I am sure there are people that strongly feel that way about XYZ things. That's fine. But life goes on and there are other hobbies a person can find to occupy their free time. I have other hobbies outside of roller coasters that I care deeply about where if I found myself wanting to take a break from this park or any park, I would be fine. I haven't reached that point yet, but the thing I am trying to say is that it's ok to walk away from things if you no longer find value or happiness in it anymore. I'm just 99% certain it wont be as good as TR:TR and will probably be lame. I'm sick of the family additions. We have enough. Cedar Fair has ruined KI and always holds it back and I'm sick to death of it. Its the entire reason I can't stand Cedar Fair. (Now Six Flags) Now The Vortex plot............... They better stick something incredible in there. That plot has had the first ever large scale looping coaster, and the first ever suspended coaster. That plot needs something incredible. Whatever they stick in there, I want to purchase a piece of that TR:TR theming. Yeah, I'm not kidding, I'd buy it. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeast Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 As angry and sad I was about my beloved original Flying Eagles leaving the park, I never once thought about not getting a pass. KI is my second home and always will be. Rides come and go...there is always still a ton to do and enjoy at KI. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJSkyFoxx Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 11 minutes ago, Vortex1987 said: I'm just 99% certain it wont be as good as TR:TR and will probably be lame. I'm sick of the family additions. We have enough. Cedar Fair has ruined KI and always holds it back and I'm sick to death of it. Its the entire reason I can't stand Cedar Fair. (Now Six Flags) Now The Vortex plot............... They better stick something incredible in there. That plot has had the first ever large scale looping coaster, and the first ever suspended coaster. That plot needs something incredible. Whatever they stick in there, I want to purchase a piece of that TR:TR theming. Yeah, I'm not kidding, I'd buy it. LOL. You just keep repeating yourself over and over...that nothing will ever compare and that you'd buy the theming and Cedar Flags sucks...stay mad then I guess...the rest of us will just look to the future. Deuces. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex1987 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 10 minutes ago, DJSkyFoxx said: You just keep repeating yourself over and over...that nothing will ever compare and that you'd buy the theming and Cedar Flags sucks...stay mad then I guess...the rest of us will just look to the future. Deuces. Because I'm right............................................ Whatever goes in that spot is going to be lame as hell compared to the original ride. A family ride? What kind of crap is that? Really? WE HAVE ENOUGH FAMILY RIDES. Even that Vortex plot........... They're probably going to stick a family ride in there............... which would be WAY worse than the TR:TR building. That Vortex Plot needs something incredible. It has housed the first ever large scale looping coaster and the first ever suspended coaster. It needs something worthy, not a lame- a$$ family ride. That would be a disgrace to KI. Cedar Fair has ruined KI since the day they bought it............... Paramount had the guts to go big.... even if it backfired. Cedar Fair plays it safe and gives KI crap. We got a sub-par giga so it couldn't overshadow Millenium Force....... like, what the hell? Just so it cant be as big as Cedar Points giga? Thats Cedar Point favoritism. Hell, I even like Six Flags better than Cedar Fair because at least some of their parks get treated fairly, but KI gets held back because its in the same state as Cedar Point. Cedar Fair is the worst chain period and I will always despise them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastfan11 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 10 minutes ago, Vortex1987 said: Cedar Fair has ruined KI since the day they bought it............... Paramount had the guts to go big.... even if it backfired. Cedar Fair plays it safe and gives KI crap. We got a sub-par giga so it couldn't overshadow Millenium Force....... like, what the hell? Just so it cant be as big as Cedar Points giga? Thats Cedar Point favoritism. I think you’re a good dude with absolutely unbridled passion. It’s admirable. I get it. But man. This is borderline delusional. Having been around throughout Paramount, the split, and into the CF era… the pre CF Kings Island was not the park that it is today. I’ll leave it at that. Don’t rob yourself of your own joy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex1987 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, BeeastFarmer said: You sound bitter. A bit...... yeah. Old and bitter. (Not old enough........ i missed out by ONE YEAR..... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco2000 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 minutes ago, BeeastFarmer said: Almost...I didn't renew for this year, and may not next year. Probably will but maybe won't. You will Make it a silver pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback_Is_King Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 I do think that Kings Island should take into account what the public thinks on certain things, but if Kings Island listened to every single guest, there would be no rides. Everyone has their opinion, and there will always be someone who disagrees with the actions taken. As for what will replace TR:TR or Vortex, I would just be glad to get a new addition in those plots. Better to get a ride than no ride at all. I get old rides are fun and memorable and when they go away its sad. I never got to ride Dragster or Ka which makes me a little sad, but I look towards the positives. TT2 is a pretty good replacement for Dragster even after the year-long closure, and is more reliable when it's open than Dragster was. I also look forward to the new replacement of Ka, and hope it is a great thrill coaster! In the end, there are other things to life than theme parks and roller coasters. Every time I go to KI, I enjoy it to it's fullest. I have fun with friends and family and love all of what I would call the world-class roller coasters I get to ride there! Kind of like what @DJSkyFoxx said, instead of focusing on the past, look into the bright future ahead for KI. I'm just glad my home park isn't Six Flags America and is one of the parks that SIX cares about (despite what some might say). We get an addition every few years, while some others have to wait 7+ years. I consider myself lucky to be close to one of those parks that does get that special attention. My friends from Oregon would love to be close to KI, when all they have is Oaks Park and Wild Waves (look them up...I used to go to Oaks Park when I was really little) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr0y Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, Vortex1987 said: I'm just 99% certain it wont be as good as TR:TR and will probably be lame. I'm sick of the family additions. We have enough. Cedar Fair has ruined KI and always holds it back and I'm sick to death of it. Its the entire reason I can't stand Cedar Fair. (Now Six Flags) Now The Vortex plot............... They better stick something incredible in there. That plot has had the first ever large scale looping coaster, and the first ever suspended coaster. That plot needs something incredible. Whatever they stick in there, I want to purchase a piece of that TR:TR theming. Yeah, I'm not kidding, I'd buy it. LOL. Who knows what SF has in store for the park. The next addition may pleasantly surprise you. I’ll use Mystic Timbers as an example. (I know I beat this dead horse) But, how many people would have want or even think KI needed another wooden coaster When the park SoB was a disaster and the park already had a world class lineup of wooden coasters with The Racer, The Beast and Woodstock express. Turns out Mystic Timbers was a great addition to the park. It had everything you would want. Great marketing/storytelling, theming to match and ultimately provided a fantastic ride experience. Its place among the GTA is what it’s at for a reason. “People don't know what they want until you show it to them.” -Steve Jobs 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJSkyFoxx Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, Vortex1987 said: Because I'm right............................................ Whatever goes in that spot is going to be lame as hell compared to the original ride. A family ride? What kind of crap is that? Really? WE HAVE ENOUGH FAMILY RIDES. Even that Vortex plot........... They're probably going to stick a family ride in there............... which would be WAY worse than the TR:TR building. That Vortex Plot needs something incredible. It has housed the first ever large scale looping coaster and the first ever suspended coaster. It needs something worthy, not a lame- a$$ family ride. That would be a disgrace to KI. Cedar Fair has ruined KI since the day they bought it............... Paramount had the guts to go big.... even if it backfired. Cedar Fair plays it safe and gives KI crap. We got a sub-par giga so it couldn't overshadow Millenium Force....... like, what the hell? Just so it cant be as big as Cedar Points giga? Thats Cedar Point favoritism. Hell, I even like Six Flags better than Cedar Fair because at least some of their parks get treated fairly, but KI gets held back because its in the same state as Cedar Point. Cedar Fair is the worst chain period and I will always despise them. Remember that just because you feel you’re right doesn’t mean you are. You can be correct to yourself. That’s your opinion and you know what they say about opinions… And remember, anger is a secondary emotion. Don’t let that eat you up especially when there are literally much BIGGER actual issues going on in the world right now other than obsessing over one ride and making it your entire schtick on this post. Let’s move on from that shall we? The past is gone. Step up or step aside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex1987 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 7 minutes ago, DJSkyFoxx said: Remember that just because you feel you’re right doesn’t mean you are. You can be correct to yourself. That’s your opinion and you know what they say about opinions… And remember, anger is a secondary emotion. Don’t let that eat you up especially when there are literally much BIGGER actual issues going on in the world right now other than obsessing over one ride and making it your entire schtick on this post. Let’s move on from that shall we? The past is gone. Step up or step aside. I think whatever goes in either plots will be much more boring than the rides they replaced......... I just really hope that The Vortex plot is reserved for something incredible. But it most likely wont be. That plot has housed the worlds first suspended coaster and the first large scale looping coaster. That plot needs something amazing and worthy of that spot. Now the TR:TR building.......... Just give me some of that theming so I can hang it on my wall and I'll be happy. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenthodge Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, Vortex1987 said: That plot has housed the worlds first suspended coaster and the first large scale looping coaster. That plot needs something amazing and worthy of that spot. Hey - I think you mentioned this before! Tell us you have NO idea how to run a muti-park chain with different products aimed at different target audiences with different spending, pr cap and market penetration goals - oh right... you already have OVER AND OVER 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Orion's drop is the exact same as Millennium Force's at 300' even. That horse is so dead by now there's nothing left but pieces of bones. Siren's Curse was not stolen, Six Flags Mexico had their permit to build it fall through, and Cedar Point had a nice section of flat land to put it. The Crypt building can only support a flat ride that could safely operate inside the clearance of the box. If no such high-caliber flat ride like the Giant Top Spin can be found to install, if the building is going to stay it would be a great place for an indoor coaster like the survey concept. Theme it to runaway mine carts, change the entrance and queue from a cave to a mine shaft, it'd fit in great with the other mining themes in Rivertown such as on Beast. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjniehaus Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Call me a traitor but Cedar Point is my personal favorite amusement park I've ever visited. By far the best coaster collection in the USA. Having said that do I think Kings Island can get deal a crummy hand sometimes - yes but in general I think Cedar Fair brought some very good rides to the park (Firehawk, Diamondback, Mystic, Orion, Banshee, WindSeeker, Water park expansion, Antique Autos, new childrens rides) I think some could argue that we received rides and coaster models that CP already had in order to keep KI down. Or you could argue that KI was so far behind in terms of coasters that we didn't have a B&M Invert, our newest woodie was 40+ years old, we didn't have a hyper or a giga. Now of course the loss of the paramount theming was a hard pill for some to swallow and the loss of certain rides during the transition (tomb raider, SOB, Action Theater most notably). Of course Vortex and Firehawk being retired back to back years hurt but they were aging and sometimes removals happen. Paramount made some removals in their time that may have been upsetting to some park fans as well - lion county safari monorail, King Cobra, and most notably the decision I would argue was the worst in park history: removing both antique car tracks and our beloved flying eagles. So you can like or not like certain decisions that CF and now SF is making at the park and the way they manage the park but it's all very debatable and nobody is forcing anyone to go to the park or buy a season pass. The higher ups don't want to see Kings Island fail because it's extremely profitable. They just tend to market Cedar Point and Kings Island to different people. Kings Island is situated to be the regional family park and Cedar Point is positioned to be the destination. That's how it is and always will be while they are owned by the same company and SF would be a fool to sell either one. Sometimes you have to look at other Midwest states and think to yourself - how did Ohio wind up with arguably two of the best parks in the entire USA? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjniehaus Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 9 hours ago, PKIDelirium said: Siren's Curse was not stolen, Six Flags Mexico had their permit to build it fall through, and Cedar Point had a nice section of flat land to put it. If siren's curse was stolen couldn't one argue that we stole Orion from CGA? It's a nearly identical situation 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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