disco2000

So the crowds at CP are light

And for good or bad, it is this mentality the park banks on. Sure they lose a few that don't renew, but if that loss is made up with new passholders, they really don't have an incentive to improve the product. It is the entire argument that DispatchMaster ran on - he would say it makes good business sense to cut stuff and save money since people like you will come regardless. Thousands of passholders prescribe to your mentality of continuing to buy a pass because at the end of the day, cuts and all, it is still an incredible value for the entertainment dollar. Heck, they could close KI like they did Geauga Lake and probably still sell thousands of passes for a closed park That is how loyal of a season pass base the park has LOL. The question is how much lowering of the value of the product before the masses leave in enough quantity that it makes an impact on the bottom line?

Cause they didn't pay for those for the ceremony

Sadly, I think ambience will continue to be the low hanging fruit they cut in budget mode. Let's hope they prove us wrong, but the direction has been towards cutting anything that they cannot measure a return on, and even then they probably will still cut LOL.

I think a main reason is the difference in audience. We get it you like brews and music, but the typical season passholder at KI just doesn't seem to be into that. The sad thing is more times than not, when River City (great local band) played in Action Zone a few years back, they had more entertainment associates watching than guests. Those playing on Coney Mall stage wasn't that much better. Same with Hifi Honey - when they aren't on the Festhaus stage but instead on the makeshift stage outside, the guest numbers just aren't there. If people can't sit, they don't seem to attract the numbers. With guest numbers like that, it is hard to justify continuing. But at the same time, the shows were not really advertised either and were on temporary stages, so it was a hit or miss thing. Maybe an event like you are suggesting would work well in the early and late part of the season in Festhaus, but having a temporary stage in one of the areas for a new local band every week to play just seems like we would see more of what we have seen with the established local bands that are kinda known by some KI guests due to their many years performing here. Just based on numbers, I could see outside bands be an easy target for cutting from the entertainment scene.

Maybe the responsibility will fall under the PR team to be out and about more and talking to guests

Exactly!!! Plus their "controlling stake" isn't but a few percentage points. Further the board initially is split equal numbers between the two companies and it will only take one CF board member to side with SIX on an item or agenda or whatever and the "controlling stake" is tossed out the window.... And the Chief Integration Officer assigned to develop plans to bring the two organizations together is a SIX employee....so when the decision is made on who to put where, this person is going to go with who they are comfortable with and have an established working relationship with...and that will be a SIX employee. Sure some CF folks will get some key positions, but whenever there is room for an either/or, human nature will be for the Chief Integration Officer to put in a SIX employee that they have a working relationship with.

Apparently it is easier to hide in a bathroom stall for part of shift and text than it is to hide in the food freezer

Food has been one of the higher hourly rates for the last several years. Almost everyone wants to be a ride op. You can get a food job anywhere outside the park. So to try to staff food and pull some seeking higher wages over the type of job, they offered them more.

One way to force a labor shortage...

Wasn't Opening late Spring the same language used for Adventure Port?

Yeah I thought that was kinda odd too, but there isn't a whole lot to see so I can give a pass on that, but I was expecting to see more than 30 seconds on the dot and a little more talk. Was that sentence cut off mid-stream when the video ended or was that poor editing and the intent?

The ending just seemed to get cut off. I would hope that was just some uploading glitch? I have seen some podcasts have an abrupt ending to that I don't think was intentional. Hopefully we see a revised one that has an ending.

Many here would have hoped Vortex would have been a special one to get that treatment! Question is will The Bat be considered a special one or will it see the same fate at some point...

The difference is people with a lackluster dinner experience are not claiming to be chefs, yet many here complaining about the park PR claim to be in marketing... If people are that passionate about the park and think they can do a better job and produce better content, apply... sometimes that tremendously flawed argument is a valid argument...as an example, it is the very reason why many people enter politics because they are fed up with the direction it is going. I know many people passionate about a company and sought out a job there because they felt they had the credentials and ability to do a better job than the person they replaced. Maybe those in the position are that bad at their job, or maybe they are simply doing what they are being told, or maybe their bosses don't have a clue how to PR/market and have handcuffed the creativity of those in those positions. Or maybe it is a little of it all. At the end of the day an employee (regardless of industry) has to keep their boss happy and meet the job performance metrics assigned to them to keep said job. Obviously we don't know what metrics the staff is being evaluated against or what criteria they used to hire the opening that was filled, but someone developed those performance metrics and criteria for filling that position. Maybe the anger should be directed towards the higher paygrades and not the messenger (in this instance the PR Team)...

I think some of you give Chad too much credit in his role and responsibility with the park LOL. I am sure he is not the final go/no go decision on Coasterstock. If the GM or corp wanted it, they are doing it despite his objections. He can either be on board and participate or be shown the door. Everyone knows Coasterstock was Don's "baby", but was the coordination of the event the duty of the area manager, digital marketing position (which is not Chad's role) or was the responsibility given to Don the person due to his recognition in the industry? And if it was given to Don the person and not the position, then what position within KI would take it over when Don the person left? Did anyone complaining apply for the open position when it was posted? Many have put the park in a tough situation. If they decided to not have Coasterstock, what would happen is what we are seeing now with folks saying that the current staff isn't competent and can't put on the event. If they held Coasterstock and put on the best event ever and due to the upcoming merger brought in the actors that played the roles in the DC Universe and we all got to personally sit next to Gal Gadot/Wonder Woman and Superman for a ride people and they brought Beyoncé in for a private concert many would still say the event sucks because Don isn't working for the park and didn't host the event.... If you were the park GM and saw the enthusiasts community bad mouthing EVERY move the park makes, would you be willing to want to invest and put the time in to hold an event for them that is clear they wouldn't be happy regardless? Based on podcasts and appearances Don has made at several events, it appears many take the loss of Don working at KI harder than Don himself.... Unfortunately, Don leaving KI is one of those events that some people are never going to get over and will badmouth everything the park does moving forward. Don't get me wrong, constructive criticism for the park we love is fine as we all want more out of the park and know there is always room for improvement, but there are also many that believe this bashing has gone on long enough and it is no longer constructive criticism but rather personal attacks for the people left to fill Don's shoes. And really, how many enthusiasts events does a park really need to host in a year? If Don were still at the park and ACE did their thing and Coasterstock did their thing, people would probably complain the events were too similar. I thought in one of the podcasts Don said the reason for doing Coasterstock was to eliminate multiple enthusiasts events and just have one big one. These events are a lot of hard work behind the scenes and maybe Don wouldn't have wanted to put both on in one season if he were still at the park? If you are going to attend the ACE event with a pre-meditated mindset of not enjoying it and nitpicking every little aspect of it, maybe you shouldn't attend the event and let people that are going to enjoy the event have that opportunity to attend...it is hard to believe, but there are people that don't know who Don is and would attend the event and have a wonderful time...

It's officially sold https://local12.com/news/local/cso-paid-millions-coney-island-cincinnati-symphony-orchestra-how-much-purchase-price-sold-amusement-park-concert-venue

Maybe we are another test park for something LOL. Or this is the first step towards centralized PR with nobody local as part of the merger touting the savings of $200 million annually in expenses, with $120 million in cuts expected to be realized in the first two years following the merger....

I was there as well. Fun to not have any expectations about the night and just enjoy the atmosphere. It was cold and just enough real snow (like a few flakes to say hey it is snowing) to give some ambience to the place. Now for the offseason....

Most of that is the difference between Diamondback allowing loose articles and the associated slow down in stowing those in the bins versus no loose articles of Orion.

Dude there is nothing creepy with what he posted. It literally says on the post under your avatar where you are located at - whether that is accurate or not is another story, but it took ZERO creepy thought or investigation to come up with his comment. It literally is sitting there next to your post for us all to see when we see your post... And it is his business if he lives in the City limits (along with all city taxpayers) if people that don't live in the city and thus don't have money in this fight are trying to save something that results in city tax dollars going to buy and maintain this place.... The first thing elected officials do is have their aides see if any of the comments received are from constituents and if they aren't, they are not looked at further. If you can't vote for them or haven't donated enough cash to be an influence, then your voice don't count. As I said before, this is an exchange of property from one private owner to another private. If this were public property, then it is another story and a likely different outcome. The private property owner has five "Bundles of Rights" which describes the set of legal rights associated with ownership of real property. This “bundle” is made up of five different rights: the right of possession, the right of control, the right of exclusion, the right of enjoyment and the right of disposition. It are these Bundles of Rights that allow them to proceed with this sale and do as they choose as nothing illegal is being done. The elected officials have zero input or say in this. Sure if they have a significant voter base up in arms they will come out with some statement to make the voters feel they are on their side, but unless the government comes up with the cash to buy the property, nothing more will come out of it. In addition, this is too far from the city core for Cincinnati elected officials to be concerned with. Heck unless you live on the East side, most Cincinnatians travel 471 to 275 into Kentucky to get to Coney because it is faster. Most don't realize part of it is even in city limits since it is faster to get to it by going thru another state LOL... If Sunlite pool were in the middle of the West End or Over the Rhine, then we would probably see the elected officials look at taking some of the rail money to buy the property, but this location and history doesn't meet their current criteria. Further, many on city council have relatives that were not allowed to go to Coney until the early 60s, so to them this might not be worthy of being saved....and as someone else early posted, the real history of Coney basically died in the early 70s when the rides moved to KI or were destroyed. In fact a book was written about it saying Goodbye to Coney. The fact that Coney lasted this long after originally being scheduled to shut down when KI was built is just extra years. It's fine if people want to protest and all that, but the fact of the matter is since this is a private property issue and the elected officials core constituents are not participating in the save Coney initiatives, the protests won't change anything. And it is America, so if the protesters come up with enough money to buy the land and keep it as Coney, that is their right and choice as well. But they really don't have a say on what someone does on their private property if they are meeting all applicable laws and regulations due to the legal bundles of rights for owning property. If people had a say on what someone does legally on someone else's property, none of us would have a roof over our head as the property we all live on was once a farm or forest or some other type of land that the surrounding owners would have like to have kept as-is and not turned into a subdivision or apartment complex or condos or whatever.

Yeah, I really thought for the minimal costs at the time that they would have provided true running water and wastewater system in the place so that it could be repurposed into something else other than an additional seating area. Granted there is a bar and refill station close by, but not providing a wet bar limits the repurposing of it.

Indoor would be nice, but I think that ship sailed when they purposely built the VIP lounge. Unless they alternate with International Street restaurant when available.

Let's go for Nine with the word Flags being counted