Losantiville Mining Co. Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 5 hours ago, SmartCat7162 said: Things are not looking good especially with how they did haunt. They should have set the price of passes $30-$40 more and just had the mazes included with park admission. There is literally no point in giving away the gate. When things get so cheap people look down on it. That is the opposite of what they want to happen but they managed to achieve that. I do not really know what to say. I think at this point the company either needs to sell some parks immediately or just declare bankcruptcy. Investors have lost hope with the board and the only way to bring that hope back is to start fresh. Unfortunately, an added $40 cost to the passes might not have helped much when the company is giving away 40 parks for the price of one. Maybe it'd work better if they had made it 3 parks for the price of 1 (like Cedar Point/CPS, Kings Island/SC, and Michigan's Adventure/WWA), with the All-Park Passport available for an additional $50. I think I'm going to try to come up with a better pass system to better prove my point and post it here on KIC when I'm done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losantiville Mining Co. Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 As promised, here is my take on what I think Six Flags should have done for their MVP Sale. It is based off of the current Kings Island pass comparison page, and should have everything on it. Read through everything and let me know what you think! If this isn't your thing, then feel free to scroll on by. Please ignore the double X on the third benefit, it doesn't mean anything special and I'm not going to take another screenshot right now. "Renewal Benefits" should actually say "MVP Sale Benefits", ditto about the screenshot. Some things to note: The lowest tier now includes admission past Labor Day, but comes with the addition of Blackout Dates. These would include Passholder Previews, a few days each month during the Summer season, and Thursdays/Fridays after Labor Day (to manage crowds during Haunt and Winterfest). It's no longer 40+ Six Flags parks for the price of 1, but instead 3 during this sale only. The passholder can choose which parks or Six Flags could make groupings. This makes it so it's not giving away the gate as much. A "park" in this sense includes both the dry park and waterpark(s), meaning KI/SC, CP/CPS, and SFGA/HHC/HHR could potentially all be included on one pass. Prestige BAF tickets are limited to the following year. Renewal gets you the FUN Jumper pass (already in use at some parks in 2025), a free BAF ticket, 2 Single-Use Fast Lane passes, and a free HAP to show guests why they should have to pay for mazes. Renewal benefits are listed as being part of the sale and are not available to those buying a new pass, partially restricting the Home Park loophole. Preferred Parking is wholly replaced with limited availability Prestige Pass Parking. AVAILABLE ADD-ONS: Dining Plan / Dining Plan Plus Regular: 2 meals per visit // Plus: 2 meals per visit w/ 1 snack FUN Jumper and All-Park versions also available Drink Plan / Drink Plan Plus Regular: Coca-Cola fountain drinks and water // Plus: Coca-Cola fountain drinks, water, ICEEs, Coffee, and Hot Chocolate All-Season Fast Lane 10 uses per visit OR remains unlimited All-Season FunPix stays the same Haunted Attractions Pass Allows access to mazes during Halloween Haunt/Fright Fest FUN Jumper and All-Park versions also available SALE PRICE / HIGHEST PRICE: Here are the sale prices w/ the FUN Jumper and the highest price w/out the FUN Jumper. Reasonings include the FUN Jumper benefits, but not All-Park Passport benefits. Thrill Pass: $99 / $120 A reasonable price for a bare-bones season pass. The sale gets you basic benefits at 3 parks. Nobody who currently has a pass is really "priced out" of buying a new one in this model. Pays for itself in 2 visits. Gold Pass: $150 / $200 Cheaper than a Dollywood pass, but high enough to make people pause and think before purchasing. Mid-tier benefits at 3 parks. Available for those who want to go to the park year-round, but don't need the Prestige benefits. Pays for itself in 4-ish visits. Prestige Pass: $250 / $400 A price that reflects the added benefits without being outrageously expensive. Premium benefits at 3 parks. The high price pays for upgraded experiences. Removes the pay-to-play nickel-and-diming from part of the experience. That's my take on things as of right now. I might make a new topic for if I think anything else up. Thank you for reading! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windshawne Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 On 8/31/2025 at 10:59 AM, BeeastFarmer said: Yikes ...two industry experts are giving a very frank opinion: What’s next for Six Flags? Cedar Point parent faces park sell-off, possible bankruptcy - cleveland.com https://share.google/pcBea8M1gcQqXNvRT I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but if I remember right, Cedar Fair was financially strapped after acquiring paramount parks. Maybe it will all shake out? Not that unusual when you think about it-any acquisition will look at their assets and dump the ones not profitable. In great americas case, that area is wall to wall people and just going to the store was a major deal. I think someone wants that land and taking any offer would be a profit. Plus the dumpster fire California is right now-it’s not profitable to run any business there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeastFarmer Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 4 hours ago, windshawne said: I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but if I remember right, Cedar Fair was financially strapped after acquiring paramount parks. Maybe it will all shake out? Not that unusual when you think about it-any acquisition will look at their assets and dump the ones not profitable. In great americas case, that area is wall to wall people and just going to the store was a major deal. I think someone wants that land and taking any offer would be a profit. Plus the dumpster fire California is right now-it’s not profitable to run any business there I don't think CF ever made much progress on the PP debt, they just kept refinancing. Six Flags got way in over their heads with acquisitions and overspent on debacles like Worlds of Adventure. They were able to shed much of that debt with their bankruptcy. Six Flags business model is being emulated currently, and I personally think history will repeat. If they file for bankruptcy, creditors will get shafted. Some parks that are jettisoned may end up better off if there is a company that could take over ( HFC is probably out of the scene since they recently took on a huge acquisition). Whatever would be left of Six Flags may have an opportunity to be elevated without as much of a debt burden, if they emulate the CF model. If they follow the SF model, they will continue the downward spiral. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losantiville Mining Co. Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 Part of the reason why I think any company with the Six Flags name keeps failing (or getting close to it) may be because the company has never fully cleaned house or fully remade their image beyond being the cheapest parks with the most thrills. Through the different expansions and bankruptcies and financial struggles, it seems that they've never been able to shake off the consequences of rapid expansion from the Premier Parks/Six Flags of the '90s/'00s. I appreciate the fact that both Six Flags and Cedar Fair have tried to keep ticket costs down while others continually skyrocket, but it simply is not a winning strategy for a company that has been circling the drain for years. Legacy Six Flags tried to reimagine their pass system but failed by trying to do it all at once instead of gradually raising prices. Now, the people who tried that are heading the new Six Flags and are probably scared of repeating their past mistakes. I'm hoping the Six Flags execs choose a candidate for CEO who will be able to at least provide and execute a clear vision to downsize the current company by selling parks to potential competitors (instead of selling them for their potential land value). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 On 9/3/2025 at 9:17 AM, CedarPointer said: Pre-merger Six Flags tried eliminating meal plans. Didn't work. You are NEVER going to get passholders to pay full price for food in the park again once you got them used to enjoying two meals every visit for one price. Just look at the widespread backlash with the Haunt money grab. They could do it very easily without much backlash; they'd just have to phase in the change by making meal plans unattractive. If the guest "decides" not to buy it they won't be as upset. 1. Slightly lower the food prices across the board so that the meal plan is less attractive. Make sure this is announced to the media. 2. Increase the meal/drink plan price to where it is no longer the "deal" people think it is. If they doubled the prices of each how many people would buy them? 3. Quietly remove the meal plan by announcing mid year that it will no longer be available the following year. Regarding food... every time I go to Indiana Beach—which has independent food vendors—it makes me wonder why Kings Island bothers to be in the food business at all. Why not just have independent restaurant operators paying rent? Yes, they'd lose flexibility on the operating calendar since the vendors will depend on them to be open, but the market competition just results in better food and better service. If the restaurant isn't up to the level of it's competition it fails. Why bother with it at all—just become a landlord and collect the money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeastFarmer Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 More insight from an industry veteran: https://interthemepark.com/six-crossroads.html?fbclid=Iwb21leAMtbTpjbGNrAy1sPGV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEePajEg6SeEnlvug_x_EgeBm0jLq_PynMRLgawu80FvUCWns_-XjO_tcrmZPI_aem_nhKRUrR4xaOQ2I95_xogUA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losantiville Mining Co. Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 It never gets old seeing articles like this using pictures of the wrong parks and attaching them to misleading headlines. Used photos of Six Flags Great America, while Six Flags America and California's Great America are the two amusement parks set to "permanently shut down". "the final day of operation confirmed and it's just weeks away" is both untrue for SFA (closing about 8 weeks from publication) and for CGA (closing in/after 2027). I understand that publications like this do it intentionally, I'm just tired of the lack of journalistic integrity we've been forced to witness recently. This could also be a consequence of using the Six Flags brand for every park and having multiple parks with very similar names. To me it looks like another good reason for the company to move away from the Six Flags brand name. It would've been nice to see Mr. Speigel add 1-2 more sentences to write about the misinformation and/or fear-mongering being waged against Six Flags — especially since this is the screenshot used in the article — but the Observation article was quite informative either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DispatchMaster Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 On 9/5/2025 at 11:37 PM, KI Guy said: Regarding food... every time I go to Indiana Beach—which has independent food vendors—it makes me wonder why Kings Island bothers to be in the food business at all. Why not just have independent restaurant operators paying rent? Yes, they'd lose flexibility on the operating calendar since the vendors will depend on them to be open, but the market competition just results in better food and better service. Kings Island is more than 30 times the size of Indiana Beach and (I would ignorantly guess) serves at least an order of magnitude more guests annually than IB does. So it's pretty nonsensical to assume what works for IB would work for parks the size of KI or CP. Anyone can cook one decent burger for themselves, but it's a bit different serving burgers for a backyard party with 50 guests. The key to providing good food to millions of guests every season is to do so at scale, which isn't solved by making it someone other food vendor's problem. And it's not as though the bigger parks haven't already tried this. At CP, they have or have had Johnny Rockets, Chick-fil-A, Subway, Fridays, Chickie's & Pete's, Famous Dave's, Melt, Pink's, Panda Express, etc., and in no way did the existence of those outside vendors lead to long term success at serving good food efficiently and consistently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr0y Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Six Flags agree to extend Peanuts IP till 2030: https://investors.sixflags.com/news/press-releases/press-release-details/2025/Six-Flags-Entertainment-and-Peanuts-Worldwide-Extend-Licensing-Agreement-to-2030/default.aspx 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 29 minutes ago, Tr0y said: Six Flags agree to extend Peanuts IP till 2030: https://investors.sixflags.com/news/press-releases/press-release-details/2025/Six-Flags-Entertainment-and-Peanuts-Worldwide-Extend-Licensing-Agreement-to-2030/default.aspx Specific discussions on that are here if you or others are interested. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeastFarmer Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 FUN closed down over 5% in trading today. We are now down to $21.66/ share. Wonder what the retired teachers of Canada think? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losantiville Mining Co. Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 14 hours ago, DispatchMaster said: And it's not as though the bigger parks haven't already tried this. At CP, they have or have had Johnny Rockets, Chick-fil-A, Subway, Fridays, Chickie's & Pete's, Famous Dave's, Melt, Pink's, Panda Express, etc., and in no way did the existence of those outside vendors lead to long term success at serving good food efficiently and consistently. Much agreed. It's wise to note that Panda Express is the only outside vendor left in the park from this list. I believe Starbucks, Panda Express, and Dippin' Dots are the only exterior dining vendors still operating within Cedar Point's park boundary. Using third-party food vendors in a park is good when used in moderation, but with parks the scale of Kings Island and Cedar Point it would look very tacky to make every dining location a vendor. Any money gained by being a landlord could be lost in perceived quality of the park. Great parks like Dollywood don't win the Golden Ticket by having outside vendors for a majority of their food options. Neither do any of the other four of the Top 5 in that category. Sadly best food was not a category this year, but the Top 5 from last year's awards don't rely on outside vendors either. On 9/5/2025 at 11:37 PM, KI Guy said: They could do it very easily without much backlash; they'd just have to phase in the change by making meal plans unattractive. If the guest "decides" not to buy it they won't be as upset. 1. Slightly lower the food prices across the board so that the meal plan is less attractive. Make sure this is announced to the media. 2. Increase the meal/drink plan price to where it is no longer the "deal" people think it is. If they doubled the prices of each how many people would buy them? 3. Quietly remove the meal plan by announcing mid year that it will no longer be available the following year. Removing the meal plan may be even harder than this. Raising the prices might do something to help if they are perceived to be a net loss by Six Flags, but remove it and overall park visits from locals will go down while in-park F&B spending might only see a marginal boost. I've said it before, but I believe that removing the meal plans will ultimately result in a return to pre-dining plan methodologies. It's clear that I think messing with Dining Plans is a horrible idea. If they want to make up any "lost" money then they should seek to do it another way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjniehaus Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 I unfortunately don't see the light at the end of the tunnel with how much their stock keeps dropping and their attendance is crashing too. Cutting events at parks where they aren't the most profitable is probably the right move unfortunately. Selling off land around some of the larger parks I think is smart. However they are in so much debt that I think history is probably going to repeat itself and they will be facing a bankruptcy situation sometime in the future. Big parks like CP, Kings Island, Magic Mountain etc with be safe but smaller or mid size parks may not survive. All I can say is, enjoy the parks while you can. I just visited CGA and actually really enjoyed it and it sucks that park is going to get closed. Six Flags America has sucked for a long time so I wasn't surprised nor too sad to hear it was closing but CGA was arguably the best park in the bay area market and it's unfortunate that they are going to lose it 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartCat7162 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 https://investors.sixflags.com/news/press-releases/press-release-details/2025/Six-Flags-Reports-Strong-Attendance-Growth-and-Season-Pass-Unit-Sales-Through-Labor-Day-Weekend-Reaffirms-2025-Guidance/default.aspx?utm_source=ITPS+Leisure+News&utm_campaign=c09a5b7ad3-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_09_11_07_07&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-c09a5b7ad3-231742673&fbclid=IwY2xjawMxS2JleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmWjJKTmFsUHkwMThWdUJTAR4ANYMZev83cjk3zZ21AuXRFd1IcDwrey1WeHP_69kTsvo0jvbRGK2sJFoimQ_aem_G_ZBEykd5KwKttAXJDwWQw This was posted by corporate and it looks like the company may be on the come up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartCat7162 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 https://investors.sixflags.com/news/press-releases/press-release-details/2025/Six-Flags-Reports-Strong-Attendance-Growth-and-Season-Pass-Unit-Sales-Through-Labor-Day-Weekend-Reaffirms-2025-Guidance/default.aspx?utm_source=ITPS+Leisure+News&utm_campaign=c09a5b7ad3-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_09_11_07_07&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-c09a5b7ad3-231742673&fbclid=IwY2xjawMxS2JleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmWjJKTmFsUHkwMThWdUJTAR4ANYMZev83cjk3zZ21AuXRFd1IcDwrey1WeHP_69kTsvo0jvbRGK2sJFoimQ_aem_G_ZBEykd5KwKttAXJDwWQw This was posted by corporate and it looks like the company may be on the come up! It seems like the last few weeks have shown and increase in attendance and season pass sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiian Coasters 325 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 I feel like every year around this time we hear about positive attendance trends and momentum toward next year after a busy fall since fall is in fact the busiest time of the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco2000 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 “Notably, our 2026 season pass program is off to a strong start,” continued Zimmerman. “Early unit sales of 2026 season passes are pacing well ahead of cumulative pass sales at this same time last year, with the average season pass price up 3%. The robust sales trend is driven by the strong appeal of our all-park add-on, reflecting the value proposition of our unmatched network of parks.” Of course 2026 season pass sales end of July/beginning of August outpaced sales at the same time last year as they were not being sold then LOL Who here experienced that season pass price went up? Every post I saw across multiple fan sites of the different parks showed the price went down. I guess there must be some outlier somewhere lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeastFarmer Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Selective narrative. Legacy six flags parks may have had a slight increase. Parks like Kings Island who are pass heavy and charge 115$ may have a slight affect on the average six flags legacy season pass. I wonder how much revenue was lost by including the APP? Or did many people buy the equivalent product from the legacy companies? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losantiville Mining Co. Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 5 minutes ago, BeeastFarmer said: I wonder how much revenue was lost by including the APP? Or did many people buy the equivalent product from the legacy companies? About $40-$80 per pass that would've gotten it anyways. I'd bet the low price points across the board are what made them all so attractive to guests — even to those who claim that season passes are still too expensive. Add "less euphemisms" to the list of hopes and dreams for the new CEO. They can keep doing it for some things, but there's a line after which they're overdoing it. I think the price might have gone up at some Legacy Six Flags parks, especially those who offered a Silver Pass for 2025 and now only offer Gold/Prestige for 2026. With G/P passes being the new norm instead of S/G or S/G/P, I can entirely understand how they can claim that 3% increase in prices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super7 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 On 9/3/2025 at 9:17 AM, CedarPointer said: Pre-merger Six Flags tried eliminating meal plans. Didn't work. You are NEVER going to get passholders to pay full price for food in the park again once you got them used to enjoying two meals every visit for one price. Just look at the widespread backlash with the Haunt money grab. I just can't believe that giving away the gate, constant ride closures, dirty parks, poor customer service, and taking away things people already paid for hasn't been a formula for success. Really shocking. , I agree. But they have dug their ditch with these meal plans. The customers expect them now. They can’t eliminate them or they lose customers, but if they keep them, they lose money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super7 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 They are reporting despite a 3% increase in attendance they have a 2% decrease in revenue. Also keep in mind that more people in the parks is going to increase expenses to maintain the parks. The loss and profits will be even greater than 2%. Their business plan is not “resilient.” It is a failure. Anytime more customers result in less revenue and less profits that’s a failure. The other thing to keep in mind is that if people weren’t buying, they already underpriced season passes and decided to buy them because of this lower price, they probably aren’t going to be the kind of customer that’s going to pay the high prices in the park and contribute to end Park spending We should enjoy what we can of what’s left of 2025 because I have a feeling that they are going to be massive cuts in 2026 if they’re revenue is decreasing They may have a short term bump in revenue because of their up charge of the haunted houses, but that is not going to reverse course. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion-XL200 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 I may have already shared this, but the fact that merch pricing has increased a ton over the past season and a half is insane to me. A hoodie at KI that was shared with me was $77. $77!!!!!! Why?!?! It's not Under Armor, Nike, Adidas, etc. it's a generic brand. WTH? Over the past 2 seasons, my in park spending has went way down...because the pricing has went up...the merch isn't worth the cost to me. Usually every visit to any given park, I buy something. This season, 14 times so far at CP, 4 at KI. 1 at KD, 1 at SFA....I have bought 3 shirts. 2 at CP (limited edition 4th of July and a Clearance shirt) and 1 at KD. Other merch purchased = none. The pricing is out of touch IMO and I refuse to spend the extra cash on it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 12 hours ago, Orion-XL200 said: A hoodie at KI that was shared with me was $77. You just know that some LinkedIN Premium user in Charlotte took their kids to Disney, saw their merch, and said “we should be charging more” without any sense of irony for how poorly comparable the SF product is. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver2005 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 5 hours ago, Gordon Bombay said: You just know that some LinkedIN Premium user in Charlotte took their kids to Disney, saw their merch, and said “we should be charging more” without any sense of irony for how poorly comparable the SF product is. That's partially how pre-merger SIX got in financial trouble in the first place. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr0y Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 5 hours ago, Gordon Bombay said: You just know that some LinkedIN Premium user in Charlotte took their kids to Disney, saw their merch, and said “we should be charging more” without any sense of irony for how poorly comparable the SF product is. $77 generic shirt from Disney? Doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr0y Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 5 hours ago, Gordon Bombay said: You just know that some LinkedIN Premium user in Charlotte took their kids to Disney, saw their merch, and said “we should be charging more” without any sense of irony for how poorly comparable the SF product is. $77 generic shirt from Disney? Doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 On 9/10/2025 at 8:02 AM, DispatchMaster said: Kings Island is more than 30 times the size of Indiana Beach and (I would ignorantly guess) serves at least an order of magnitude more guests annually than IB does. So it's pretty nonsensical to assume what works for IB would work for parks the size of KI or CP. Anyone can cook one decent burger for themselves, but it's a bit different serving burgers for a backyard party with 50 guests. The key to providing good food to millions of guests every season is to do so at scale, which isn't solved by making it someone other food vendor's problem. What does the size of the park have to do with the business model for how the park makes money on food? The number of eateries would stay the same, the operator would just change from the park to third-party vendors. Scale doesn't effect the viability of the business model; Oktoberfest in Munich provides food to crowds of 120,000 and is served by independent vendors. Market factors would very much solve many of the problems. Each eatery would have to make money or it wouldn't exist. Each would have to be competitive on price and quality compared to the other restaurants in the park. On 9/10/2025 at 8:02 AM, DispatchMaster said: And it's not as though the bigger parks haven't already tried this. At CP, they have or have had Johnny Rockets, Chick-fil-A, Subway, Fridays, Chickie's & Pete's, Famous Dave's, Melt, Pink's, Panda Express, etc., and in no way did the existence of those outside vendors lead to long term success at serving good food efficiently and consistently. No, what the Cedar Fair has tried is having chain restaurants under license operated by park employees. On 9/10/2025 at 11:37 PM, Losantiville Mining Co. said: It's wise to note that Panda Express is the only outside vendor left in the park from this list. I believe Starbucks, Panda Express, and Dippin' Dots are the only exterior dining vendors still operating within Cedar Point's park boundary. Using third-party food vendors in a park is good when used in moderation, but with parks the scale of Kings Island and Cedar Point it would look very tacky to make every dining location a vendor. Any money gained by being a landlord could be lost in perceived quality of the park. When I say "third-party vendors" I don't mean chain fast food places. If you go to Indiana Beach you won't see one chain restaurant. They're mom and pop restaurants you won't find elsewhere—not tacky at all. Eat a hamburger at the Bluejay Cafe or a corn dog at Pronto Pup and maybe you'll understand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonHelbig Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 On 9/10/2025 at 8:02 AM, DispatchMaster said: Kings Island is more than 30 times the size of Indiana Beach and (I would ignorantly guess) serves at least an order of magnitude more guests annually than IB does. So it's pretty nonsensical to assume what works for IB would work for parks the size of KI or CP. Anyone can cook one decent burger for themselves, but it's a bit different serving burgers for a backyard party with 50 guests. The key to providing good food to millions of guests every season is to do so at scale, which isn't solved by making it someone other food vendor's problem. And it's not as though the bigger parks haven't already tried this. At CP, they have or have had Johnny Rockets, Chick-fil-A, Subway, Fridays, Chickie's & Pete's, Famous Dave's, Melt, Pink's, Panda Express, etc., and in no way did the existence of those outside vendors lead to long term success at serving good food efficiently and consistently. Indiana Beach is 376 acres. Kings Island 364. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartCat7162 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, DonHelbig said: Indiana Beach is 376 acres. Kings Island 364. Do you have the attendance number for the two or a rough estimate? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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